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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398000
11/06/21 08:26 AM
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Ball and Kerr are my 2 preferred lids. Those were what mom and grandma always used, so that's what we use. I did pick up some Golden Harvest from WM this year, but haven't tried them yet. I try to stock up on my canning supplies 1 year in advanced. Now, having watched some videos, I want to try the Tattler lids. I do agree with possum man, I think a lot of failures are from over tightening lids, no matter what brand.

Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398003
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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398140
11/06/21 11:23 AM
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I sure appreciate all the input folks. I and my Bride have canned from day one, deer, elk, bear. Even wild ducks.Gobs of fish and, well, about anything we could get our hands on. My folks did as well, so I have been at it a good long while. This last batch of venison is the first time I have had what I consider "mass failure" of a batch. That "mass failure" statement is a bit melodramatic, but it sure is sickening to have all that deery goodness go to waste.

I have never re-used a lid, but I have often wondered about it. I even wonder if a guy could use clear 100% silicone to re-gasket used lids. It will handle high enough heat that it is used on engine parts at times. I'm too cheap to try it myself. (too cheap to risk losing good food!)


Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398154
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I re-use all of mine. But don't tell the canning cops.





Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398179
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Do you know , Ball , Kerr , and Golden Harvest is owned by the same company.

Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398218
11/06/21 01:35 PM
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There is an outfit called Denali that sells a Chinese lid but they seem to have good reviews. Has anyone one here tried their lids?


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: The Possum Man] #7398237
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Originally Posted by The Possum Man
just so you know, you can buckle even ball and kerr lids. I have done it. I believe it is from over tightening the rings initially.

I had trouble when i first started canning with getting lids to tight. Mine are just tight enough to hold the lid in place. Finger tip tight
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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: yotetrapper30] #7398313
11/06/21 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30


Yes I reuse lids as well but so far have only used them on jellies or fruits... something that if they don't seal I won't be heartbroken, as opposed to something that takes 90 minutes in the PC. BUT I've never had a reused lid not seal yet.

Which brands of reusable lids do you use? I bought a dozen Tattlers probably 10 years ago and had no problems. This year I bought 4 dozen Harvest guard and had a LOT of failures. In one batch of about 20 quarts of tomato juice, 4 failed. I got disgusted and haven't messed with them since.


We gave the mix of older lids to the kids. We have all Harvest Guard, Tattler wouldn’t match the bulk deal we made so they lost. For us, we don’t warm up the gaskets they stay centered better this way, do finger tighten as they show on their tutorial video plus a light spin by the ring on the counter We changed to headspace plus 1/4". The headspace change was huge for us not a failure since short of doing something we know better. Headspace plus 1/2” for greasy stuff like some fish, sausage or other meats and also for things that will swell up in processing like the new age ginormous chicken breasts either store bought or older Cornish X, unsoaked beans, and anything with dry seasoning added that will float and get trapped under the seal of it does siphon..

The new ones took some messing with to get dialed in and I almost gave up on them too.



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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398321
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Finger-tip tight before putting in the canner and then not tightening them after pulling them out? I've always cranked them tight after coming out of the canner. They can be a bugger to get the rings off though. Still learning.


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398408
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Unless they are noticeably loose, we leave them. The vacuum process has started while the pressure comes to zero and the "obligatory" ten min. I call that good. I have tightened and had the lid or gasket shift opening the seal. That makes for a very hot and painful mess. I’m willing to take a failure from this, above the possibility of a serious burn.

If someone chooses to do the tighten after removing from the canner, I very much recommend using a towel that covers the entire top of the jar as a barrier. It may not stop everything but will considerably lessen any damage. And don’t drop or let the jar fall out of reflex, it will explode when it hits the floor.



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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398481
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Thanks for the extra headspace tip, Owl. I'll give that a try.


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398486
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Ball only.No Chineee crap.No reusing lids.If they sealed right the first time,,your not getting them off without ruining them.We can pretty much all of what we need for the year.All vegges,,jams,,fruits everything.Lots of meats also.


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398526
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Thank you for the tip. My wife and I were shopping the other night and I saw two packs of Ball wide mouth lids. It was like discovering gold, and I grabbed them both. Still canning here, and I feel bad for anyone using inferior products.

Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398532
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I found regular lids made by Pur at the hardware store today for 2.99 and I had a 20% off coupon , limit 5 dozen

I searched the box when I got home for made int he USA and didn't find it , I will have to see how they work


I hope they work if they do I am a lucky man this week 2 boxes of 12ga and 5 dozen canning lids and double coupons.

edited , well I guess I am not as lucky , I told wife about my lid find and she looked them up , apparently I have 5 dozen crap china lids now also

well at least the shot shells were Federal.

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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: upstateNY] #7398653
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I found regular lids made by Pur at the hardware store today for 2.99 and I had a 20% off coupon , limit 5 dozen

I searched the box when I got home for made int he USA and didn't find it , I will have to see how they work


I hope they work if they do I am a lucky man this week 2 boxes of 12ga and 5 dozen canning lids and double coupons.

edited , well I guess I am not as lucky , I told wife about my lid find and she looked them up , apparently I have 5 dozen crap china lids now also

well at least the shot shells were Federal.



Have heard nothing but bad about Pur lids.....sorry


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Ball only.No Chineee crap.No reusing lids.If they sealed right the first time,,your not getting them off without ruining them.We can pretty much all of what we need for the year.All vegges,,jams,,fruits everything.Lots of meats also.



BS. Not sure how you remove them but I use my fingers and can resuse 75% of them. Many of them have been on jars over 5 years,


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398686
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I open them with side of a butter knife levered from my hand.
Prefer the name brands but use all. They are lids, it's not that magical.
The rare one that does not seal get re-cooked. froze, or eaten.

Maybe Duke will start making lids?





Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: upstateNY] #7398797
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Ball only.No Chineee crap.No reusing lids.If they sealed right the first time,,your not getting them off without ruining them.We can pretty much all of what we need for the year.All vegges,,jams,,fruits everything.Lots of meats also.

When canning supplies were hard to find,,I ordered lids"Advertised as BALL lids" on line from amazon.Got a bunch of Chinee knock offs.I called the Ball company.They said do NOT use them.The lining material was NOT FDA approved,,and Ball had a lawsuite in the process,,,as I was only one of hundreds that got ripped off.Amazon refunded my money.Since then,,Walmart has them on the shelf periodicaly.(the real Ball ones made in USA)When they do,,I scoop them up.I have enough to last me probly five years.And Yotetrapper30.I stand by my statement.When my jars come out of the Pressure canner,,I would like to see you pull the lids off with your fingers without bending the lid a bit.I never reuse lids.To each his own..Water bathed jars sure,,they are not as tight.

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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398820
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the local bulk store is 5 dollars for 12 Uline lids only thing I was able to find last year , limit 2 at a time , so much for the cheap ones from Ace


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Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: SpottedOwl] #7398855
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Originally Posted by SpottedOwl
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I also use Tattlers and Harvest Guard but they have a bit of a learning curve.


Over the last several years we’ve gone almost exclusively to the reusable lids. Not nearly as forgiving but when you figure things out they are very simple, reliable and good quality lids. Some have been on the shelf for 4 seasons now after this last fall. We still have several cases of Ball and Kerr but haven’t used one in two years now. Before I used a cheap or Chicom lid, I would seriously consider reusing your preferred brand. Years ago as young family and completely broke, we reused lids all the time. Maybe not recommend but it does happen more than it’s talked about and it does work. But, you have to look the lid over very carefully for anything suspect.



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I reuse metal lids all the time. I inspect the gasket and if it is still soft in the grove where the rim sits i reuse. I dont notice any more problems than with new lids.

Re: Cheap canning lids. [Re: J.Morse] #7398857
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Not sure of their origin, but lids I used this year came from an Amish store. A paper sleeve of about 10 or 12 dozen. Used about half of them and had two fail. One puckered.......the other was spaghetti sauce and failed to seal. All others OK, both regular and wide mouth.

Have checked all local sources that have lids in normal times......Walmart, grocery stores, hardware stores and farm and home......no individual lids seen in past 18 months. Probably get em, but not the day I am there. Are still being snatched up faster than reloading primers.

But the Amish stores have em. Good enough for them, good enough for me.

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