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Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401362 11/10/21 12:41 PM 11/10/21 12:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 6,219 Kansas Pawnee trapper
Pawnee trapper Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 6,219 Kansas	I watched a documentary on it 5 years ago. Being from the plains I had never heard of it before. I had never really thought about how dangerous the Great Lakes are. Thumbs up to all that make a living in the shipping industry and bless all those that have lost their lives. Everything the left touches it destroys

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401403 11/10/21 01:30 PM 11/10/21 01:30 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,474 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,474 james bay frontierOnt.	Lightfoot is a great songwriter.A lot of his songs,but not all, are about events historical and contemporary. I believe Gord spent a lot of time performing in Michigan and other border states early in his careerThe Canadian railroad trilogy,and Black day in July a couple more good ones. A few of my friends I went to high school with went to work on the Lake freighters.They would return home in winter with lots of interesting stories about the lakes in late fall. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Boco] #7401428 11/10/21 02:01 PM 11/10/21 02:01 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan Rusty Axe Camp trapper
Rusty Axe Camp trapper Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan	Originally Posted by Boco Lightfoot is a great songwriter.A lot of his songs,but not all, are about events historical and contemporary. I believe Gord spent a lot of time performing in Michigan and other border states early in his careerThe Canadian railroad trilogy,and Black day in July a couple more good ones. Seen him a pile of times. Great musician and songwriter. Erik Johnson

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401430 11/10/21 02:05 PM 11/10/21 02:05 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,474 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,474 james bay frontierOnt.	I wonder if he ever got heckled for commenting on American issues because he was Canadian? Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401439 11/10/21 02:22 PM 11/10/21 02:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan Rusty Axe Camp trapper
Rusty Axe Camp trapper Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan	Never heard anything in the 6-7 times I've seen him. Erik Johnson

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Boco] #7401460 11/10/21 02:50 PM 11/10/21 02:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,154 Tug Hill, NY Redknot trapper
Redknot trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,154 Tug Hill, NY	Originally Posted by Boco I wonder if he ever got heckled for commenting on American issues because he was Canadian? Only for losing the "Fish" - John Stockfish!! ~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Rusty Axe Camp] #7401462 11/10/21 02:55 PM 11/10/21 02:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 267 northern michigan S sjc trapper
sjc trapper S Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 267 northern michigan	Who's complaining? I was just trying to make the point that the Fitzgerald wasn't the only big ship disaster of that era, that some lessons that should have been learned earlier, and that if not for the song, most probably would have never heard of the Fitz, either. Nothing against Lightfoot. I actually like the song.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Redknot] #7401466 11/10/21 03:07 PM 11/10/21 03:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 267 northern michigan S sjc trapper
sjc trapper S Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 267 northern michigan	Originally Posted by Redknot No complaining here Rusty, I just like to remember that the Anderson turned around and went back out after sailing through (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and making it to safe harbour while the two "salties" heading uplake declined to assist...That is of course after Captian Cooper had to practically beg the Coast Guard to begin a search for the Fitz... I still see the Anderson quite often while salmon fishing. I think that's her over my mom's shoulder. I have a bunch of pictures of her, but not any on my phone.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: sjc] #7401476 11/10/21 03:15 PM 11/10/21 03:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan Rusty Axe Camp trapper
Rusty Axe Camp trapper Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,427 Midland, Michigan	I love seeing the Anderson. Just looked. She's at Drummond Island now. Erik Johnson

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: sjc] #7401482 11/10/21 03:30 PM 11/10/21 03:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,154 Tug Hill, NY Redknot trapper
Redknot trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,154 Tug Hill, NY	Originally Posted by sjc Originally Posted by Redknot No complaining here Rusty, I just like to remember that the Anderson turned around and went back out after sailing through (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and making it to safe harbour while the two "salties" heading uplake declined to assist...That is of course after Captian Cooper had to practically beg the Coast Guard to begin a search for the Fitz... I still see the Anderson quite often while salmon fishing. I think that's her over my mom's shoulder. I have a bunch of pictures of her, but not any on my phone. Cool shot there sjc...Again, no complaints, I just have to think of the fortitude it must have taken for those guys on the Anderson, after reaching safe harbour, to go back out into that raging lake...Nice that so many others here know of the Anderson and of that crew.... ~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Redknot] #7401549 11/10/21 05:46 PM 11/10/21 05:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,111 Ky J jbyrd63 trapper
jbyrd63 trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,111 Ky	Originally Posted by Redknot Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Story of lazy man load. Over loaded it from what I heard. Not so much jbyrd, more of a failure to secure hatches (although some were unable to be made water-tight)...I believe the Fitz was slowly sinking most of the trip and McSorely never really knew it...IMO it finally "hogged" between two waves and her fate was sealed...A couple of giant waves caught her astern, pushed her bow under and sent her to the bottom... Of course, to your point of over-loading, the original load-line from 1958 was changed twice over her tenure, so the freeboard went from (I believe) 15 feet to perhaps 11 feet...By 1958 standards, you could look at it as overloaded, but NOT because of the laziness of the crew... Wasn't implying the crew was lazy! That word doesn't exist in that line of work. That's a term used around here when you carry more than you can handle and you dump the load before you can get to your destination. The term implies that someone didn't want to make more than one trip to move something.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401551 11/10/21 05:54 PM 11/10/21 05:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 862 St. Croix County, Wisconsin T ToTheWoods trapper
ToTheWoods trapper T Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 862 St. Croix County, Wisconsin	I have always felt a desire to know and feel (if that is the right word) everything that I could about "Big Fitz". When I was very young my family took a tour through the Soo Locks. The Fitz was behind us I believe in the lock in July of 1975 just a few months before the sinking. I remember the sinking every year almost as if it were and anniversary or birth date of a loved one.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401563 11/10/21 06:10 PM 11/10/21 06:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma	Do "iron boats" still run on the lakes? I kind of figured all that went by the wayside with most of the mills being gone now. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401577 11/10/21 06:26 PM 11/10/21 06:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 759 U.P. Michigan Spade trapper
Spade trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 759 U.P. Michigan	If anybody is interested here is the link for the Fitz ceremony tonight at whitefish point. this year it is closed to the public. https://www.vuit.com/events/143/46th-anniversary-edmund-fitzgerald-memorial-ceremony 24 years Army Medical Corps I only want to be known as: A great husband, a good trapper, and a great steward of the land.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Mike in A-town] #7401584 11/10/21 06:46 PM 11/10/21 06:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 336 s.e. minnesota H Hornytoad1 trapper
Hornytoad1 trapper H Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 336 s.e. minnesota	Originally Posted by Mike in A-town Do "iron boats" still run on the lakes? I kind of figured all that went by the wayside with most of the mills being gone now. Mike Yes. And the Anderson is still sailing today. Seen it come threw the canal in Duluth last summer. Sure is an awesome sight to see it slide threw the canal. Something worth the trip to see. Last edited by Hornytoad1; 11/10/21 06:47 PM.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401600 11/10/21 07:09 PM 11/10/21 07:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,302 S/W Wisconsin rpmartin trapper
rpmartin trapper Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,302 S/W Wisconsin	Life member, NRA, NTA, RMEF, Pheasants Forever. WTA,TTA,FTA,SA,GOA, member

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401677 11/10/21 08:12 PM 11/10/21 08:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 540 Watertown, WI R rszwieg trapper
rszwieg trapper R Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 540 Watertown, WI	I've become acquainted with the family of Oliver Champeau. His daughter lives two miles from where I work. I play they song on this day in tribute.

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: Mike in A-town] #7401741 11/10/21 09:37 PM 11/10/21 09:37 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 2,494 Garden,Michigan B Buck (Zandra) trapper
Buck (Zandra) trapper B Joined: May 2011 Posts: 2,494 Garden,Michigan	Originally Posted by Mike in A-town Do "iron boats" still run on the lakes? I kind of figured all that went by the wayside with most of the mills being gone now. Mike Big business on the lakes still Buck(formely known as Zandra)

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7401746 11/10/21 09:39 PM 11/10/21 09:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,321 NWWA/AZ Vinke trapper
Vinke trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,321 NWWA/AZ	Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper “......29 chimes.” Slightly used Shoes 4 sale……………

Re: Edmund Fitzgerald [Re: coonlove] #7401760 11/10/21 09:47 PM 11/10/21 09:47 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,321 NWWA/AZ Vinke trapper
Vinke trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,321 NWWA/AZ	^^^^^^ SEALs do the same thing…… Slightly used Shoes 4 sale……………

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