Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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I have no idea what the 300PRC is, but the 300WM is one of the most versatile calibers there is. I don't really know how you could improve on it. IMO If you wanted the most versatile arsenal of high power rifles and could only pick three, I'd go with; 243, 300WM, and the 375H&H. Those will do everything you would ever want, and almost as important, you can find ammo for those worldwide.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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If you wanted the most versatile arsenal of high power rifles and could only pick three, I'd go with; 243, 300WM, and the 375H&H. Those will do everything you would ever want, and almost as important, you can find ammo for those worldwide. For sure. I've owned a .300 Mag and a .375 H&H and they're both great rifles. A .300 mag loaded with a 180 gr. Nosler will knock the snot out of anything on this continent.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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Typical 300 PRC ballistics are a 212gr bullet at 2,860fps (3,850 ft-lbs) or a 225gr bullet at 2,810fps (3,945 ft-lbs). Both loads use long, aerodynamic, heavy for caliber bullets that minimize bullet drop and wind drift at extended range. 300 PRC factory loads generally have a muzzle velocity similar to the .300 Win Mag, but with a heavier bullet with a higher BC. 300 win mag Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 165 gr (10.7 g) GMX 3,300 ft/s (1,000 m/s) 3,990 ft⋅lbf (5,410 J) 180 gr (11.7 g) BT 3,193 ft/s (973 m/s) 4,076 ft⋅lbf (5,526 J) 190 gr (12.3 g) BTSP 3,117 ft/s (950 m/s) 4,100 ft⋅lbf (5,600 J) 200 gr (13.0 g) Partition 3,029 ft/s (923 m/s) 4,092 ft⋅lbf (5,548 J) 220 gr (14.3 g) Sierra MatchKing (HPBT) 2,875 ft/s (876 m/s) 4,038 ft⋅lbf (5,475 J Reinvent the wheel. Sell more guns
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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I have a buddy who built him a 300 prc I think I remember him saying he could push 220 grain like the 300 could push 180. Buddy at work has one yez can push heavier bullets but he shot the throat out in under 400 rounds. Does it reach out and touch things yes, does it shoot longers distance well yes. It shoots a high ballistic coafenciey (sp)bullet very well how ever those speeds and pressures eat the throat ip fast. One thing he found ammo this year i haven't. He also reloads so he matches really close to one factory round that his gun likes.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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how can it shoot longer distance better when it shoots the SAME bullets at the SAME velocity.
Gunwriters get paid to market. Have to pretend there is an improvement to get people to buy. MARKETING
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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P.S. magazines need stuff to write about to SELL MAGAZINES
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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All I know is you can go get ammo for a 300 mag, and the 300prc is impossible to find and outrageously expensive.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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how can it shoot longer distance better when it shoots the SAME bullets at the SAME velocity.
Gunwriters get paid to market. Have to pretend there is an improvement to get people to buy. MARKETING It actually shoots a bullet that is set closer to the lands some of them are longer then traditional 30 cal bullets.its the whole benchrest thing shorter fatter cartridges are inherently more accurate then others not saying this one shoots any better or worse just that longers bullets from a short fat cartridge tend ( read that again) tend to be more accurate. Higher mass holds velocity at greater distance then a lighter mass. Both rounfs kill elk at about the same distance one might have a tad less drop when the same distance due to velocity then the other but in the average shooters hands could one really tell?
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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Stood next to a guy sighting in a 300PRC at our local rifle range. He had a muzzle break on the rifle and when he pulled the trigger I almost filled my pants. Felt like standing next to a howitzer. Could feel the shock wave in my body. Said he paid $7.00 per shell as he bought premium rounds for an upcoming elk trip. Wished him well as I quickly moved 25 yards further to a different bench. IMO a 300 win mag would be more than enough cartridge for most every situation with ammunition easier to find.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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I've hunted big game all over Alaska, and in two countries in Africa, with a Ruger M-77 in .300 WM. Got no complaints. The rifle always did what I asked it to.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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The reason the longer higher coefficient bullets shoot flatter is this. Gravity effects all things equally. Theoretically two bullets traveling at the same speed on a level plane will impact at the exact same moment. So what we are dealing with is a time versus distance as the only way to go farther in the same amount of time is to increase speed. In this case it is decrease speed as though the two bullets leave at the same time at the same speed the longer more areodynamic bullet will maintain its speed longer throughout the flight causing it to cover more distance in the same amount of time that gravity pulls them both to the ground. Theoretically they will still impact at the same time.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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I have no idea what the 300PRC is, but the 300WM is one of the most versatile calibers there is. I don't really know how you could improve on it. IMO If you wanted the most versatile arsenal of high power rifles and could only pick three, I'd go with; 243, 300WM, and the 375H&H. Those will do everything you would ever want, and almost as important, you can find ammo for those worldwide. Pretty much sums up what I have experienced. I never jumped on the Short Mag or likewise. The aforementioned rounds just simply work.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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So which bullet can you shoot out of a 300 prc and not a 300 min mag? Or a 308 or a 30-06 or a 300 weatherby mag. Which bullet can be seated closer to the lands in a prc? Which bullet is faster shot from a 300 prc than it is from a 300 win mag, 300 R.U.M. or 300 weatherby magnum ?
Its not hard to see why tv advertising time is so expensive. It is expensive cause it works. To outsell the competition you dont need a better product or even an equal product you just need a better ad.
Wife bought some cranberry juice the other day. On the label it said cranberry and under that 100% juice. Which was all true. But when you read the ingredients list the first ingredient is apple juice, then white grape juice, then cranberry juice. Somehow that is legal.
here is some published data Hodgdon Reloading online. Maximum safe loads
308 norma mag uses 73 grains of h1000 to hit 2859fps with a 200 grain nosler partition
300PRC needs 80.9 grains to hit 2908
300 win mag uses 77 grains for 2826
300 R.U.M. needs 83 grains for 2850
300 weatherby magnum uses 83 grains for 2884
30 nosler comes in at 76.4 grains for 2893
With a 230 grain bullet and H1000 the PRC comes in with a max load of 75.7grains at 2721 and a 300 win mag at 76 grains at 2721
Real numbers for real people and not 10 cents difference in any of them other than availability and cost of factory ammo, or brass, and amount of powder to load each case.
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Re: .300 Win Mag VS .300PRC
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Yes I know the magazines are all saying short fat cartridges are more accurate. Trapping magazines say a lot of stuff too.
Plenty of serious shooters on here. Some of you chime in. I might believe a Tman member that has done an at home side by side test of the two cartridges instead of regurgitating a shooting times article. Is there any significant difference?
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