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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407511
11/17/21 12:15 PM
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Saw this on another fourm

More evidence that the prosecutors are literally *begging* for a mistrial with prejudice: after the trial concluded, they provided the defense team with the HD drone footage they claimed during the trial that they didn't have. They gave the defense a 480 res 3MB file at disclosure, then yesterday gave them the 11MB HD 1080 vid. The defense officially requested a mistrial with prejudice yesterday evening. The judge has not decided yet.

Re: Hung Jury? [Re: James] #7407518
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by Chancey
^^This should certainly be the case, assuming we have Justice System left where one is innocent until proven guilty without a shadow of a doubt.


The standard isn't "without a shadow of a doubt."

The standard of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt."

Big difference.

Jim

Jim, Good to have an educated opinion on this. Way to much random speculation and assumption going around. Is there any charge that will likely stick?

Re: Hung Jury? [Re: Trap Setter] #7407527
11/17/21 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Originally Posted by walleye101


That criticism of the police and National Guard is totally misdirected. They could have, and were certainly not afraid to, put a stop to this nonsense early on before things got out of control. These riots, looting and destruction of businesses and personal property are squarely on the backs of the liberal mayors and governors that ordered the police to stand down, and did not immediately activate the National Guard.


I agree the ones that were scared were the police chief and the head of the national guard (so governor guess) i didn't mean to imply every officer or soldier was scared but if the leaders were then follows the rest.



Just a guess on my part but if LEOS were told to stand down but chose not to...........I suspect they would forfeit their qualified immunity. I can't see many of them going that route. Guaranteed prosecution these days.

With the NG there is no question they would have been disciplined if they disregarded the stand down order.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407570
11/17/21 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Originally Posted by walleye101


That criticism of the police and National Guard is totally misdirected. They could have, and were certainly not afraid to, put a stop to this nonsense early on before things got out of control. These riots, looting and destruction of businesses and personal property are squarely on the backs of the liberal mayors and governors that ordered the police to stand down, and did not immediately activate the National Guard.


I agree the ones that were scared were the police chief and the head of the national guard (so governor guess) i didn't mean to imply every officer or soldier was scared but if the leaders were then follows the rest.



Just a guess on my part but if LEOS were told to stand down but chose not to...........I suspect they would forfeit their qualified immunity. I can't see many of them going that route. Guaranteed prosecution these days.

With the NG there is no question they would have been disciplined if they disregarded the stand down order.


Thats what I am saying "if the leaders were scared to do anything then the rest had to follow"


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407619
11/17/21 03:14 PM
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Im hoping with the long delay its a NG, but I believe those in charge are is going to make him the sacrificial lamb. could you imagine the chaos if hes found NG. people might get the idea they can protect themselves.

Re: Hung Jury? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7407678
11/17/21 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Mark K
No matter how it comes out, he was a kid, out looking for trouble. He loaded up weapons and drove a half hour to go look for trouble. He found it. He should not go completely free because of this.


What gave him any less right to be there than the rioting thugs?



And then there was silence!!


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407728
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They're going to get him on the first guy he shot is my gut feeling since its taking this long.

Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407740
11/17/21 06:43 PM
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I'm thinking he's going to get off on Withdrawal with Prejudice if the jury tries to convict him. The ADA lied to the judge about that video compression and the judge ain't gonna like that.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407749
11/17/21 06:55 PM
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If someone was threatening me or mine with violence if I found a perp not guilty,I would find him not guilty even if he was guilty as sin.
Thats just the way I am.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Hung Jury? [Re: Boco] #7407787
11/17/21 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If someone was threatening me or mine with violence if I found a perp not guilty,I would find him not guilty even if he was guilty as sin.
Thats just the way I am.

What are you trying to say?

Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407793
11/17/21 07:53 PM
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He doesn’t know….LOL


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407795
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Nothing. Just a pure statement of fact.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: Boco] #7407809
11/17/21 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If someone was threatening me or mine with violence if I found a perp not guilty,I would find him not guilty even if he was guilty as sin.
Thats just the way I am.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: Posco] #7407817
11/17/21 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Boco
If someone was threatening me or mine with violence if I found a perp not guilty,I would find him not guilty even if he was guilty as sin.
Thats just the way I am.

What are you trying to say?


He would pull a jury nullification out of his...


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7407825
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Figured yous would chicken out under threat.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7408079
11/18/21 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm thinking he's going to get off on Withdrawal with Prejudice if the jury tries to convict him. The ADA lied to the judge about that video compression and the judge ain't gonna like that.


I don't know what a "Withdrawal with Prejudice" is, but the judge might issue a directed verdict because of prosecutorial misconduct, and it would then be with prejudice, meaning the charges couldn't be filed again.

If the judge feels the failure to provide evidence to the defense may have hurt Rittenhouse's ability to defend himself, that is.

Jim


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: James] #7408084
11/18/21 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm thinking he's going to get off on Withdrawal with Prejudice if the jury tries to convict him. The ADA lied to the judge about that video compression and the judge ain't gonna like that.


I don't know what a "Withdrawal with Prejudice" is, but the judge might issue a directed verdict because of prosecutorial misconduct, and it would then be with prejudice, meaning the charges couldn't be filed again.

If the judge feels the failure to provide evidence to the defense may have hurt Rittenhouse's ability to defend himself, that is.

Jim


I don't know where I came up with withdrawal, I meant mistrial lol. I posted on the other thread a copy of the Defense's motion for mistrial with prejudice.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7408088
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i thought witdrawal with prejudice was a birth control method?


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: James] #7408128
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm thinking he's going to get off on Withdrawal with Prejudice if the jury tries to convict him. The ADA lied to the judge about that video compression and the judge ain't gonna like that.


I don't know what a "Withdrawal with Prejudice" is, but the judge might issue a directed verdict because of prosecutorial misconduct, and it would then be with prejudice, meaning the charges couldn't be filed again.

If the judge feels the failure to provide evidence to the defense may have hurt Rittenhouse's ability to defend himself, that is.

Jim


As good as this judge seems to be he sure hems and haws on actually doing anything other than fuss at the prosecution. Binger seems to know it too and has bent the rules all the way.

I get the feeling Judge Schrader is betting on the jury returning a not guilty to save him from having to issue a directed verdict or mistrial.


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Re: Hung Jury? [Re: warrior] #7408157
11/18/21 05:34 AM
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Personally I am sure he. He dosent want the heat either, everyone knows his name. He isn't hidden behind the curtain


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