Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 09:23 AM
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walleye101
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If the market for fur totally crashes or stays crashed, at what point will state governments start offering bounties on coyotes and other fur bearers that can impact agriculture and other aspects of society? Obviously, a lot of guys won't trap if the money isn't there and a tipping point will be reached.
I'm curious what some of the old timers think. Back to the original topic, paid animal control programs are already becoming more common. Most will avoid the term bounty as Wildlife agencies have spent decades demonising bounty programs, as costly and ineffective.
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 09:49 AM
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Okie Farmer
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I agree with the asset philosophy.
I just don't see ranchers here paying people to trap coyotes, for example. I could be wrong. Your correct, they'll get the government trapper to come in and do it. A friend was asking about trapping one place and was asked what he would pay with a half ate calf laying on the ground between them.
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 10:35 AM
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willvalley
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USDA trappers around here have not been the best. Sheep producers, timber companies, and some farmers in this area rely more on private nuisance control. I know a fellow who with his partner do year round control work. They trap Coyote, beaver, squirrel, bear, cougar and other critters when called.
They are more then good at what they do. The older one used to cut timber. A good paying but dangerous job. He does as well or better now doing what he loves.
No tax dollars used for them. East side of state a different deal. Some very good hard working USDA trappers there.
FROM MY DEAD HANDS
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 10:36 AM
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I’m kind of laughing now when fur was up a bit all we heard about was how useless bounties were back then. SMH It seems like a good idea to them now to some of the same folks.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 10:41 AM
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Buck (Zandra)
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I've never understood the concept of paying a landowner for trapping rights.Most of the time you're taking out animals that are doing,or about to do damage.In the past when fur was higher there were some landowners that had the idea lots if money was being paid out and if some of that was coming off their land they wanted a cut of it.Yet,these landowners wanted beaver flooding stopped,coon out of the corn,coyotes away from their calves.All for nothing.If these present market conditions continue and animal damage continues to grow some farmers and ranchers,and some Fish and Game Dept.s are going to have no choice but to implement a system they've been condemning for years.Many of these types don't know how good they had it when prices were high and trappers were everywhere trapping for nothing but the price of the fur.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Law Dog]
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11/24/21 11:00 AM
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I’m kind of laughing now when fur was up a bit all we heard about was how useless bounties were back then. SMH It seems like a good idea to them now to some of the same folks. Bounties replace good fur prices during low price years. It can work for the Trapper when the potential catch volume is high or the expectations are low (considering). Programs can’t be successful without being properly run. Catch photos on site with location services turned on is a great start. Transfer photos when cashing in. These days, nearly everyone has a cell phone that can do this.
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/24/21 11:12 AM
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Buck (Zandra)
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Utah has a bounty on coyotes,apparently Louisiana has a bounty on Nutria.And as far as I know,that's it.There are local bounties or programs in some states run by other agencies than the f and G Dept.,like the Dept of Transportation.Or a livestock group.Most Game Depts.won't have anything to do with a bounty,so far.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Bounties
[Re: white17]
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11/24/21 11:36 AM
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Wasn't SD paying a bounty on coyote/coon scalps or tails the last few years ?? SD has a $10 bounty on striped skunks, coons, possums, fox and badgers but coyotes are not included they are targeted by our State Trappers mostly in the off season. Most furbearer animals here have no seasons on them they are open the year round. It just makes pest control easier without the red tape and butt kissing to trap them when they are a problem if they were protected with a season. Last I knew the State trapping program was duel funded by the State and the Feds together here in SD, license fees pay the States part since the control efforts benefit everyone. Some States west of SD are funded by the counties you get paid a contract amount and you supply everything yourself. Funding comes from several entities including the producers. The trapping program was originally a extension program to teach the landowners to trap their own problems I’ve been told but that was not practical to make instant coyote trappers.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Bounties
[Re: walleye101]
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11/24/21 12:53 PM
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I agree with you Blaine that the farmers and ranchers won't pay for predator control. They will have the usda trappers do it at taxpayers expense or let one of the hundreds of guys with thermal take care of them like they do hogs. I buy from some guys who use thermal a ways North of me and they say their orders from landowners are usually "shoot anything with a heat signature except for the cows including but not limited to coyotes, hogs, opossum, coon, beaver, geese, deer, and feral dogs." Must be a good thermal to tell the difference is a dog is feral or not. Nope not good enough to tell if it's feral or not but most farmers consider any dog inside thier fence that's not thiers feral and to be shot on sight. And no 2 am deer and geese are not legal but that makes no nevermind to some.
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Re: Bounties
[Re: Okie Farmer]
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11/24/21 01:41 PM
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I agree with the asset philosophy.
I just don't see ranchers here paying people to trap coyotes, for example. I could be wrong. Your correct, they'll get the government trapper to come in and do it. A friend was asking about trapping one place and was asked what he would pay with a half ate calf laying on the ground between them. Ive had this happen a handful of times. One time a guy invited me over to do an estimate for beaver control. I told him I’d get him the estimate that week. He asked how much I thought he’d roughly get. I asked him to clarify. He asked how much I was going to pay him. I told him I came to give HIM an estimate on what it would cost to eradicate the beavers that we’re eating his timber - that he sells. He said, “Well, I know you get $300 per beaver pelt.” I asked him why he thought that and he said he had watched mountain men. I told him I’d sell him every beaver for $100. I never did trap there.
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Re: Bounties
[Re: 52Carl]
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11/24/21 10:59 PM
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Bounties don't work. They have never worked. They never will work. In order to solve a wildlife problem (pick any species), you need to focus your efforts on eliminating the specific individuals which are causing the damage. The only way a random bounty program would work would be if you had enough bounty hunters scattered evenly across the State/States to completely eradicate the species. Sounds like it would work for marxist commies ...now how do we implement?
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