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Coyote Prices #7413598
11/24/21 01:59 PM
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Has anyone heard of what buyers are paying for western heavies? I've heard that some buyers out west here aren't going out anymore?

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413605
11/24/21 02:05 PM
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Sold some early stuff for $35 bucks was told the heavies might bring $80 tops but had to be silky, pale and clear white belly very few will make that cut.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413718
11/24/21 04:00 PM
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I spoke to a buyer that I worked in a fur room with, and he said that the grade would be much harder than it has been, color and texture were going to matter. He said there was a demand for good color heavy coyotes. He said they have all the semi's and brown course they want. The main man pushing the coyote market, has 200,000 tanned and only wants the best at this time. What most people don't under stand is no matter who bought the coyotes in the US or Canada the most ended up in the same place and he is backing off on the lower end. Canada Goose has been a nonplayer for a couple years. From what I have seen of them most the SD coyotes will not make the heavy grade this year.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413725
11/24/21 04:09 PM
11/24/21 04:09 PM
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Coyotes that graded semi+ last year will certainly be graded semi heavy this year. The grade will be tougher so hitting it later than normal will be wise this year. If the northern states get some snow that will help the color, with a little time to bleach the fur out. Less than fully prime fur will make producer and buyer unhappy. Good fully prime northern paler coyotes will still find plenty of willing buyers.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413727
11/24/21 04:12 PM
11/24/21 04:12 PM
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Don't think it's going to be good, some not even going on the road and buying.
Think the boom days are over.

Some agent's have been told not to receive any on their account.

Hope I'm wrong.


Let me sugar coat this
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413771
11/24/21 05:15 PM
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it costs about 50-60 cents a mile to drive a 4wd pickup. if I catch ten e ks coyotes one will be worth skinning. I am not going to drive very far


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413775
11/24/21 05:23 PM
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250,000 miles one is wore out.

50,000 purchase price
tags for ten years 4 grand
6 sets of tires 5 grand
10 years of insurance is 10 grand
miscellaneous repairs 2 grand
gas is about 14000 gallons. at 250 a gallon thats 35000.
adds up to 106 thousand dollars (roughly) to drive 250,000 miles.

or 42 cents a mile. As you can see thats a very conservative estimate


P.S. I forgot to add in periodic maintenance like plugs, oil changes belts and at least one battery

Last edited by danny clifton; 11/24/21 05:26 PM.

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: danny clifton] #7413809
11/24/21 06:15 PM
11/24/21 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
250,000 miles one is wore out.

50,000 purchase price
tags for ten years 4 grand
6 sets of tires 5 grand
10 years of insurance is 10 grand
miscellaneous repairs 2 grand
gas is about 14000 gallons. at 250 a gallon thats 35000.
adds up to 106 thousand dollars (roughly) to drive 250,000 miles.

or 42 cents a mile. As you can see thats a very conservative estimate


P.S. I forgot to add in periodic maintenance like plugs, oil changes belts and at least one battery



Yes but all those costs and many more besides are deducted from your profits for income tax purposes and many can be carried over into the good years to reduce your tax liability when the money is rolling in..

You gotta think and operate like Trump and the big boys-a loss on paper now and again can put large amounts of money in your pocket.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413816
11/24/21 06:25 PM
11/24/21 06:25 PM
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Just because part of your income is tax exempt doesn't change the fact that those costs are real.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413829
11/24/21 06:34 PM
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Triple AAA's vehicle cost of operation chart is available to members. It says the average 1/2 ton 4x4 pickup truck to own, insure, maintain, depreciate, and fuel up costs 75.39 cents per mile to operate today, based on someone who drives 20K a year. More for those that drive fewer miles, less for those who drive more than that (but not much less). Most folks don't calculate the real cost of operation.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413835
11/24/21 06:42 PM
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A large portion of the costs associated with running a small buisness will be incurred whether you run the buisness or not.
Just one small example is if you use part of your personal property and vehicles for buisness use.Many of your bills incurred will be deductable(pro-rated of course to reflect the portion for buisness use.
For example if half your home floorspace is dedicated to fur work year round half of all your costs associated with your home are deductable from your buisness profits,and can be carried over in years of loss to at least bring your liability to zero in years of large profits.
Good accounting(all legally allowed) can keep you in new equipment at very low actual costs also if you know when to roll over old equipment and how much to depreciate in balance with profits.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413838
11/24/21 06:49 PM
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This will upset some people but sell for cash, pay in cash.
“Cash is King”

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: 080808] #7413842
11/24/21 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 080808
This will upset some people but sell for cash, pay in cash.
“Cash is King”

That works for the small timer but if you are making big bucks you need to take every advantage offered to small buisness operators.
Dont know about in the US but here the gov't bends over backwards to encourage small buisnesses to suceed and keep their earnings.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413868
11/24/21 07:21 PM
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When I worked for a paycheck we had several business going, syrup, fish, firewood, fur and depredation. Kept a lot of money that the Govt. wanted me to give them.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7413878
11/24/21 07:30 PM
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I want to hear more about when the big money is rolling in…..we are talking wild fur right?


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boco] #7413919
11/24/21 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
A large portion of the costs associated with running a small buisness will be incurred whether you run the buisness or not.
Just one small example is if you use part of your personal property and vehicles for buisness use.Many of your bills incurred will be deductable(pro-rated of course to reflect the portion for buisness use.
For example if half your home floorspace is dedicated to fur work year round half of all your costs associated with your home are deductable from your buisness profits,and can be carried over in years of loss to at least bring your liability to zero in years of large profits.
Good accounting(all legally allowed) can keep you in new equipment at very low actual costs also if you know when to roll over old equipment and how much to depreciate in balance with profits.

Stick to putting up fur, you seem to be excellent at that!


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: MJM] #7414039
11/24/21 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
I spoke to a buyer that I worked in a fur room with, and he said that the grade would be much harder than it has been, color and texture were going to matter. He said there was a demand for good color heavy coyotes. He said they have all the semi's and brown course they want. The main man pushing the coyote market, has 200,000 tanned and only wants the best at this time. What most people don't under stand is no matter who bought the coyotes in the US or Canada the most ended up in the same place and he is backing off on the lower end. Canada Goose has been a nonplayer for a couple years. From what I have seen of them most the SD coyotes will not make the heavy grade this year.


Who/what company is the "main man" pushing the yote market?

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: crosspatch] #7414080
11/24/21 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Originally Posted by MJM
I spoke to a buyer that I worked in a fur room with, and he said that the grade would be much harder than it has been, color and texture were going to matter. He said there was a demand for good color heavy coyotes. He said they have all the semi's and brown course they want. The main man pushing the coyote market, has 200,000 tanned and only wants the best at this time. What most people don't under stand is no matter who bought the coyotes in the US or Canada the most ended up in the same place and he is backing off on the lower end. Canada Goose has been a nonplayer for a couple years. From what I have seen of them most the SD coyotes will not make the heavy grade this year.


Who/what company is the "main man" pushing the yote market?


That's good question ,,,, it does matter whom it is he does not live here and with 200k still to be sold she is going to be a speculation market. ( unless they are cheap) unwanted.


Kenneth schoening
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414084
11/24/21 11:22 PM
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FHA will tell the story in the end this year [Linked Image]
That's the grade gents nothing other than these will make the grade imo


Kenneth schoening
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Yukon John] #7414086
11/24/21 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
Originally Posted by Boco
A large portion of the costs associated with running a small buisness will be incurred whether you run the buisness or not.
Just one small example is if you use part of your personal property and vehicles for buisness use.Many of your bills incurred will be deductable(pro-rated of course to reflect the portion for buisness use.
For example if half your home floorspace is dedicated to fur work year round half of all your costs associated with your home are deductable from your buisness profits,and can be carried over in years of loss to at least bring your liability to zero in years of large profits.
Good accounting(all legally allowed) can keep you in new equipment at very low actual costs also if you know when to roll over old equipment and how much to depreciate in balance with profits.

Stick to putting up fur, you seem to be excellent at that!

Well I know small buisness tax as well as fur put up,been doing both for the same amount of time.
Commercial trapping is under the same tax code here as commercial fishing.

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