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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414771
11/25/21 08:46 PM
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You sell the improvements not the land.Cabins trails portages and any equipment if you dont need it for a new line.The more work and upkeep you do on the line and the more developed it is with trails and marten boxes etc the more it is worth.Of course the size of the line and past harvest records also come into play.A lot of traplines are passed on within a family.I bought a nice little line close to town a few years back as a primary line for my son and a seconday line for myself.
Cabins, trails,portages,and any equipment if you dont need it on a new line are the improvements.
It is basically a willing buyer willing seller transaction.
There are also vacant lines that are available for free-those lines are not developed with poor acess and no cabins or old unmaintained cabins.Also by being neglected it will take a few years of hard work to produce any good amount of fur off a line like that.
it takes a lot of work to develop a line that has been vacant for any length of time-that is where the value lies in a well maintained line.
A good fur line,mostly maintained by an older trapper with a cabin on the river sold here a few months ago for $25,ooo.
One good thing about Ontario that keeps the prices of lines reasonable for trappers and keeps the lines in the hands of trappers is that you are required by law to trap it.
In other provinces traplines have been bought up by groups of hunters who want to have cabins in the bush to hunt out of and dont trap/manage the trapline.This artificially drives up the price of a trapline putting them out of reach of trappers.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414775
11/25/21 08:49 PM
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You sell the improvements not the land.Cabins trails portages and any equipment if you dont need it for a new line.The more work and upkeep you do on the line and the more developed it is with trails and marten boxes etc the more it is worth.Of course the size of the line and past harvest records also come into play.A lot of traplines are passed on within a family.I bought a nice little line close to town a few years back as a primary line for my son and a seconday line for myself.
Cabins, trails,portages,and any equipment if you dont need it on a new line are the improvements.
It is basically a willing buyer willing seller transaction.
There are also vacant lines that are available for free-those lines are not developed with poor acess and no cabins or old unmaintained cabins.Also by being neglected it will take a few years of hard work to produce any good amount of fur off a line like that.
it takes a lot of work to develop a line that has been vacant for any length of time-that is where the value lies in a well maintained line.
A good fur line,mostly maintained by an older trapper with a cabin on the river sold here a few months ago for $25,ooo.
One good thing about Ontario that keeps the prices of lines reasonable for trappers and keeps the lines in the hands of trappers is that you are required by law to trap it.
In other provinces traplines have been bought up by groups of hunters who want to have cabins in the bush to hunt out of and dont trap/manage the trapline.This artificially drives up the price of a trapline putting them out of reach of trappers.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414787
11/25/21 09:15 PM
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Boco Here in the lower 48, we do not make or maintain trails, or build cabins for the most part. It does not apply to 90% of the people on this site. So preaching that means very little to most of us. I am also sure you are a tax expert on US tax laws
I hear the China man, backed a number of big US buyers, for more than one year, and that Sugar Daddy dried up. When I say big, I mean the biggest ones. When your Sugar Daddy is gone you slow way down on buying. Have you noticed any of that? How many people in the field buying fur are working for one of the big fur buyers in the US? They were all funneled to one collection point and with out it you were sunk.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boco] #7414788
11/25/21 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You sell the improvements not the land.Cabins trails portages and any equipment if you dont need it for a new line.The more work and upkeep you do on the line and the more developed it is with trails and marten boxes etc the more it is worth.Of course the size of the line and past harvest records also come into play.A lot of traplines are passed on within a family.I bought a nice little line close to town a few years back as a primary line for my son and a seconday line for myself.
Cabins, trails,portages,and any equipment if you dont need it on a new line are the improvements.
It is basically a willing buyer willing seller transaction.
There are also vacant lines that are available for free-those lines are not developed with poor acess and no cabins or old unmaintained cabins.Also by being neglected it will take a few years of hard work to produce any good amount of fur off a line like that.
it takes a lot of work to develop a line that has been vacant for any length of time-that is where the value lies in a well maintained line.
A good fur line,mostly maintained by an older trapper with a cabin on the river sold here a few months ago for $25,ooo.
One good thing about Ontario that keeps the prices of lines reasonable for trappers and keeps the lines in the hands of trappers is that you are required by law to trap it.
In other provinces traplines have been bought up by groups of hunters who want to have cabins in the bush to hunt out of and dont trap/manage the trapline.This artificially drives up the price of a trapline putting them out of reach of trappers.


Thank you for the explanation. This reminds me of a longterm lease of state or federal land here but for trapping instead of, for example, grazing. A difference would be if I improved the leased land I would lose the value of the improvements unless I assigned the lease or subleased the tract. Thanks again.



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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: danny clifton] #7414799
11/25/21 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
250,000 miles one is wore out.

50,000 purchase price
tags for ten years 4 grand
6 sets of tires 5 grand
10 years of insurance is 10 grand
miscellaneous repairs 2 grand
gas is about 14000 gallons. at 250 a gallon thats 35000.
adds up to 106 thousand dollars (roughly) to drive 250,000 miles.

or 42 cents a mile. As you can see thats a very conservative estimate


P.S. I forgot to add in periodic maintenance like plugs, oil changes belts and at least one battery


30,000 miles and get a new one for about $5000
Tags for three years $270
no tires needed
3 years insurance $1800
repairs none needed maybe $300 for oil changes
Gas about $4000

Adds up $11,370 and I'm whole with a new truck like I started with.

About $0.38 cents a mile. Those are actual numbers from my 2018 chevy except I actually paid less than shown for gas and insurance. What run a truck not covered by warranty?

BTW: where I operate it is easy to spend $2000 a year on an old truck for repairs. I ran my 2007, 2005,1997 & 1991 all over 200,000

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: wy.wolfer] #7414802
11/25/21 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Triple AAA's vehicle cost of operation chart is available to members. It says the average 1/2 ton 4x4 pickup truck to own, insure, maintain, depreciate, and fuel up costs 75.39 cents per mile to operate today, based on someone who drives 20K a year. More for those that drive fewer miles, less for those who drive more than that (but not much less). Most folks don't calculate the real cost of operation.


check my numbers (above) they are real number for a loaded chevy 4x4 crew cab.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414804
11/25/21 09:59 PM
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Butch, who only drives 30k miles in three years? I put more than that on fishing lol.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boco] #7414805
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Originally Posted by Boco

Well I know small buisness tax as well as fur put up,been doing both for the same amount of time.
Commercial trapping is under the same tax code here as commercial fishing.


Why would you think that your taxes rules are the same as ours?

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Steven 49er] #7414807
11/25/21 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Butch, who only drives 30k miles in three years? I put more than that on fishing lol.




I had two trucks for two of those three years.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: ebsurveyor] #7414815
11/25/21 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by Boco

Well I know small buisness tax as well as fur put up,been doing both for the same amount of time.
Commercial trapping is under the same tax code here as commercial fishing.


Why would you think that your taxes rules are the same as ours?

I never said that I thought they were.
Where did you dream that up?

Just like fur put up is not the same in the north,but lots of people are interested in it.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: MJM] #7414822
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Originally Posted by MJM
Boco Here in the lower 48, we do not make or maintain trails, or build cabins for the most part. It does not apply to 90% of the people on this site. So preaching that means very little to most of us. I am also sure you are a tax expert on US tax laws
I hear the China man, backed a number of big US buyers, for more than one year, and that Sugar Daddy dried up. When I say big, I mean the biggest ones. When your Sugar Daddy is gone you slow way down on buying. Have you noticed any of that? How many people in the field buying fur are working for one of the big fur buyers in the US? They were all funneled to one collection point and with out it you were sunk.


I know about 90% are hobby trappers.but lots of canadian trappers who trap in the south also have lines in the north.And there are a lot of Canadian trappers on here-I bet most from the CNTA forum read on here too-so dont think everything is all about just one area.
I'm a Canadian trapper,NE ONT to be specific,of course trapping is not homogenous even here. I talk about my experiences in trapping,just like others talk only about their experiences and a lot of people are interested in how things are done in different places-I know I like to read about snakes and gators.

As far as selling fur we started our own fur marketing service,today its FHA formerly OTA.(Circa 1952)Ontario trappers were fed up with middle men or the monopoly HBC who would tell you -"this is the price take it or leave it"-well we left it. and decided to sell direct to the international market.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Steven 49er] #7414823
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Butch, who only drives 30k miles in three years? I put more than that on fishing lol.



30,000 miles and get a new one for about $4000 or less
Tags for one years $90
no tires needed
1 years insurance $600
repairs none needed maybe $200 for oil changes
Gas about $4000

Adds up $8890 and I'm whole with a new truck like I started with.

About $0.29 cents a mile. I never plan to drive a truck after the warranty expires. For me riding around in a new truck beats riding around in a "beater" and the per mile cost is much less. No one would believe me if I told you my actual cost after taxes. I use the truck for "guiding" and write off 80% or 90% of those costs. Look at what your tax savings would be if you take $25,000 + depreciation + the other vehicle costs off of you total income. If I really do a hard count I think the government pays me to drive a new truck.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7414881
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Sell now! By February, you wont be able to give a coyote away.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: ebsurveyor] #7414882
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It is amazing how much wild fur gets caught with all these posts from trappers saying it does not pay to even turn the key on the ignition. I am avoiding coon very well this year and looks like I will our coyotes too. We don't have a coyote like those in the photo within 500 miles of my house. Big, off colored, stained bellies, rubs and coarse fur is the norm here.

Bryce

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: bblwi] #7414898
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Originally Posted by bblwi
It is amazing how much wild fur gets caught with all these posts from trappers saying it does not pay to even turn the key on the ignition. I am avoiding coon very well this year and looks like I will our coyotes too. We don't have a coyote like those in the photo within 500 miles of my house. Big, off colored, stained bellies, rubs and coarse fur is the norm here.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7415058
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About coyote prices. I killed one a few weeks ago and put it in a friend's fur shed. He put it up and brought it back to me. Can't even give them away this year.



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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7415072
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Freezing coyote fur is an option, but also a risk...Market might not recover on the lesser quality skins for a while.

Some say the market is seeing tail lights on even the best coyote skins in the next few years, but it will cycle back around eventually, IMO.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7415093
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I know guy with 700 coyotes skins in his freezers and he has NO MARKET for them.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: The Beav] #7415117
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I know guy with 700 coyotes skins in his freezers and he has NO MARKET for them.

That's rough Beav, hope he is able to move them at some point.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: The Beav] #7415172
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I know guy with 700 coyotes skins in his freezers and he has NO MARKET for them.

Will he take 10 bucks apiece for a 100 of them? I have a buyers license.

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