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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: danvee] #7417485
11/29/21 11:22 AM
11/29/21 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
If the price of oil keeps going up Russia might get in the game the tariffs and the virus not good for the fur market.



"Renewed Covid fears have managed to do what Biden couldn't, sending oil prices crashing as a new wave of demand destruction looms." frown


Who is John Galt?
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7417516
11/29/21 12:20 PM
11/29/21 12:20 PM
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In 1995 I averaged about 10 bucks on local coyotes stretched. Gas was about a dollar a gallon. So I guess that if I got a 30 dollar average today it would be the same amount of money. I have friends I have trapped on for years. I will again this year. Because they are friends in good times or bad. Every one else has to pay.

I hope no one is planning on selling much. We dont need to make it worse.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boone Liane] #7417771
11/29/21 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by TB52J
second wild fur gets less respect. The fur being promoted is farmed fur because it more "humane."


No, it gets promoted harder because it’s only about 25 times better than wild fur quality wise!

Ditto on this

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7417776
11/29/21 08:02 PM
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Every coyote I catch goes in the back, not always the bank account.

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7417788
11/29/21 08:08 PM
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No, it gets promoted harder because it’s only about 25 times better than wild fur quality wise![/quote]
Ditto on this[/quote]
Ranch fur is mass produced walmart junk compared to top quality wild fur.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7417805
11/29/21 08:21 PM
11/29/21 08:21 PM
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Good job Danny.
Me too.
Jim


Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Dirt] #7417926
11/29/21 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by danvee
If the price of oil keeps going up Russia might get in the game the tariffs and the virus not good for the fur market.



"Renewed Covid fears have managed to do what Biden couldn't, sending oil prices crashing as a new wave of demand destruction looms." frown


Cheap gas and cheap fur is good for the "sportsmen"


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: ] #7417984
11/29/21 10:50 PM
11/29/21 10:50 PM
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All of the coyotes I catch go into the ditch ! LoL!

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: steeltraps] #7417994
11/29/21 10:57 PM
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Sometimes I throw them in a hole ! LoL!

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418001
11/29/21 11:11 PM
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Nice ammo right there.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418009
11/29/21 11:33 PM
11/29/21 11:33 PM

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I always have a rock hard rule on my pit action - NO PHOTOS period.
There's no upside to it and great potential harm.
I don't need to see my pit in a state senate hearing meeting.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: ] #7418014
11/29/21 11:40 PM
11/29/21 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
I always have a rock hard rule on my pit action - NO PHOTOS period.
There's no upside to it and great potential harm.
I don't need to see my pit in a state senate hearing meeting.

So back of the truck or cooler dead pics are OK but not pits?

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418018
11/29/21 11:44 PM
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The pit photos show a total waste of the resource and disregard for the animal regardless of what we think of them.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Mortz] #7418020
11/29/21 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortz
The pit photos show a total waste of the resource and disregard for the animal regardless of what we think of them.

I think I am get paid to kill 500 or 600 coyotes year. But if you like I can replace Those pit pitures with some cooler pictures. From a client in South Alabama’s cooler. My point was Alabama coyotes aint never been worth anything

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: steeltraps] #7418023
11/29/21 11:52 PM
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Is this better? Edited the awful pit pic for a cooler pic. But dead is still dead

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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418031
11/30/21 12:07 AM
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I agree Steeltraps. Not much difference in where pic taken....when most know where they're gonna end up.

Keep killin' them fawn eaters.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: steeltraps] #7418055
11/30/21 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by Mark June
I always have a rock hard rule on my pit action - NO PHOTOS period.
There's no upside to it and great potential harm.
I don't need to see my pit in a state senate hearing meeting.

So back of the truck or cooler dead pics are OK but not pits?


Why show a pit publicly? At least a cooler suggests the carcasses are being kept for a reason. A pit says "goodbye" and you are of no use.
Steeltraps, you know folks like us won't send these pics around the world, but having been a state trapping association President.... these pics surface where you don't want them to = legislators with a person with deep pockets ranting and raving about trappers. Trust those of us who are giving you solid counsel.
I don't even let my ranchers take a pic of their pit.... it's in my contract with every one of them.
They take a pic of my work and Facebook it >>>> they will need to get another trapper.
I've never had a rancher or owner do it yet.
There's no upside for them either.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418075
11/30/21 02:03 AM
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Mark. Why post any pictures at all?? Anti’s and people that dont like us will always try to turn things into something they are not. Just look at what they did in New Mexico. Someone can take a picture and make it into anything they want. BUT I get your point. Bobcats and coyotes in the back of UTV good = Old redneck from Alabama pit pitures bad ! LOL!! I do get it though. I dont like it. But I get it ! The fact that everyone has become so PC makes me angry sometimes I could tell people that I have the greatest respect for the coyote. And I wake up everyday and am great fully that i get to go to many different states and trap a worthy adversary But i quess the PC photo crowd and the anti’s dont care. Im im Central West Texas now. And I cant sleep. Because I cant wait to see what tomorrow brings in sheep country! After 34 years of trapping coyotes I still get excited about going to new places and catching them. Guess some folks and the Anti’s will never understand that. I was only making = lite of the poor coyote prices here. That was my only intention. I do hate it for those who Only do fur. No more pit pics from me. LoL! I will listen to good advice. Going to bed now. Got to get up at 5 am and see what coyotes are in snares or traps

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418079
11/30/21 02:45 AM
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Actually pictures of dead animals going to waste should be an assett to trappers in our fight with the antis for the hearts and minds of the general public.
There is one reason it does not work out that way,-Antis are liars and they have a lot of money.They take a picture of dead wasted animals and plaster it all over the media and blame it on the "bad"hunters or "bad" trappers.We dont have any advocates in government or the money in our organizations to get the real story out there so the general public only hears the lies-only the one side.They never hear the truth from our side so they can make up their own minds based on the full story.
There is an interesting proof of this fact.
Quite a few years ago the antis got the spring bear hunt closed in Ontario.They used their unlimited millions of dollars to lobby government and petition the public with lies about orphaned cubs and decimated numbers(untrue) They were successful-for a while until the truth came out in a repulsive manner.

Bears after several years of curtailed hunting by sport hunters grew to numbers that became a huge unmanageable nuisance in all the towns and cities in Northern Ontario.Quietly,people were hired to get rid of nuisance bears that were repeat offenders.
One summer day a hiker came across a huge pile of festering bear carcasses in the bush not far from a city in northern Ontario.Pictures were taken,plastered all over the media,and the SHTF.The Govt had some explaining to do.Why were there piles of dead bears rotting in the bush outside of cities in Northern Ontario when no bears were supposed to be hunted anymore?

The govt laid it out for the public in no uncertain terms.They said -did you people really think that just because sport hunting was banned that the animals would not have to be killed/culled when they created problems from becoming overpopulated?
A useful valuable resource had been reduced to a rotting pile of garbage thanks to the efforts of the antis.

it wasnt too long after when the public realized the antis were liars with ulterior motives other than the well being of the resource,that they supported the re instatement of the Ontario spring bear hunt.

So you can see it is not the "picture " itself that is the problem but who uses it and how it is used.

Because we have few resources to get the true story out to the public when antis use pictures and lie about it,our best recourse is to not provide the antis with stuff that can be used against us.

The vast majority of the general public has no aversion to trapping and use of renewable natural resource as long as they are assured the animals taken are harvested humanely,are not endangered are managed under laws that protect the resource and are used for the maximum benefit.

If only we had the resources and support to teach the general public the truth.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418153
11/30/21 08:42 AM
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Boco, very nicely laid out sir.

Agree that, "So you can see it is not the "picture " itself that is the problem but who uses it and how it is used."

Every ethical trapper wants to use as much of the resource as we can but sometimes it's just not feasible.

Steeltraps, I start trapping for a month over break December 13th so save me some dogs. I'll be south of you quite a ways it sounds like.
I had a ranch call Sunday asking me to trap for them after my graduation in May "until I die." crazy
About sums up the love salt-of-the-earth folks have for us trappers and our pits wink

Good post steeltraps. We're just trying to humbly suggest what may save trapping for years to come so our grandkids can trap in a world less and less rural oriented.
Grandpa grew up in a rural America where 85% lived on farms.
Today 87% live in cities.
The massive immigration of the 1870-1890's brought millions to the American cities and they took good root and here we are in 2021.
Wonder where the current immigrants are ending up?

Blessings,
Mark



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