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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418166
11/30/21 08:55 AM
11/30/21 08:55 AM

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Mark June
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Do I have a 10,000th view?
Yes, in the back!

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boco] #7418169
11/30/21 09:03 AM
11/30/21 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Actually pictures of dead animals going to waste should be an assett to trappers in our fight with the antis for the hearts and minds of the general public.
There is one reason it does not work out that way,-Antis are liars and they have a lot of money.They take a picture of dead wasted animals and plaster it all over the media and blame it on the "bad"hunters or "bad" trappers.We dont have any advocates in government or the money in our organizations to get the real story out there so the general public only hears the lies-only the one side.They never hear the truth from our side so they can make up their own minds based on the full story.
There is an interesting proof of this fact.
Quite a few years ago the antis got the spring bear hunt closed in Ontario.They used their unlimited millions of dollars to lobby government and petition the public with lies about orphaned cubs and decimated numbers(untrue) They were successful-for a while until the truth came out in a repulsive manner.

Bears after several years of curtailed hunting by sport hunters grew to numbers that became a huge unmanageable nuisance in all the towns and cities in Northern Ontario.Quietly,people were hired to get rid of nuisance bears that were repeat offenders.
One summer day a hiker came across a huge pile of festering bear carcasses in the bush not far from a city in northern Ontario.Pictures were taken,plastered all over the media,and the SHTF.The Govt had some explaining to do.Why were there piles of dead bears rotting in the bush outside of cities in Northern Ontario when no bears were supposed to be hunted anymore?

The govt laid it out for the public in no uncertain terms.They said -did you people really think that just because sport hunting was banned that the animals would not have to be killed/culled when they created problems from becoming overpopulated?
A useful valuable resource had been reduced to a rotting pile of garbage thanks to the efforts of the antis.

it wasnt too long after when the public realized the antis were liars with ulterior motives other than the well being of the resource,that they supported the re instatement of the Ontario spring bear hunt.

So you can see it is not the "picture " itself that is the problem but who uses it and how it is used.

Because we have few resources to get the true story out to the public when antis use pictures and lie about it,our best recourse is to not provide the antis with stuff that can be used against us.

The vast majority of the general public has no aversion to trapping and use of renewable natural resource as long as they are assured the animals taken are harvested humanely,are not endangered are managed under laws that protect the resource and are used for the maximum benefit.

If only we had the resources and support to teach the general public the truth.

You hit the nail on the head Boco. If the antys get there way it will all be tax paid Govment trapper pit pile pickchaws!! The waste system.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418179
11/30/21 09:15 AM
11/30/21 09:15 AM
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I don't think pics of dead coyotes anywhere is our problem. It's the bloody pawed ones that looks or looked like it suffered for a time. It's people not educating themselves on how to catch and hold a critter without the animal doing damage to itself trying to escape then snapping a pic and putting it on social media. Trappers with no common sense and social media is our biggest threat. Imo


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: rpmartin] #7418180
11/30/21 09:17 AM
11/30/21 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
I don't think pics of dead coyotes anywhere is our problem. It's the bloody pawed ones that looks or looked like it suffered for a time. It's people not educating themselves on how to catch and hold a critter without the animal doing damage to itself trying to escape then snapping a pic and putting it on social media. Trappers with no common sense and social media is our biggest threat. Imo

Two faced book dont help.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418210
11/30/21 09:51 AM
11/30/21 09:51 AM
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" SOCIAL MEDIA
Pics and video are fine….keep in your on circle of friends ….be mindful to keep pics rated PG and tasteful…those less than tasteful pics are not helpful from a PR perspective for our industry. However regardless of how careful you think you are… pics you share invariably find there way into the hands of individuals who would use them against us to further infringe on our rights….basically you are providing ammunition for your opponent."

Petska Fur handling manual.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418211
11/30/21 09:51 AM
11/30/21 09:51 AM
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the vast majority of people are born live and die in cities. They never grew their own food or hunted for it. The only out doors they experience are a drive through yellowstone, a local park and movies. They have been taught that humans are an invasive species. I dont think it matters what we do we are not going to bring those ignorant wretch's back to reality.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Boco] #7418216
11/30/21 09:59 AM
11/30/21 09:59 AM
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Sumner, Mo.
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Originally Posted by Boco

Make no mistake about it. The lack of a fur market is killing trapping faster than all the other factors combined.


Thats what they said in 1750 too.




Yea, OK
I guess not much has changed in the last 260 years.

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418305
11/30/21 11:56 AM
11/30/21 11:56 AM
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Good posts Mark and your thoughts on the matter align with our late (and great) assoc. president Bob Gilman who was instrumental in defeating at least two ballot measures that would have banned tapping in Oregon.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418306
11/30/21 11:57 AM
11/30/21 11:57 AM
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FYI Boco, Sport hunting may not equal bear population reductions . It can actually have the opposite effect.

"If hunting is used to prevent damage, hunters should be asked to take any legal bear – sows without cubs, bears larger than 50 lbs., and boars. Killing only “large” male bears will not effectively manage the local bear population."

From a former bear control agent.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7418424
11/30/21 02:23 PM
11/30/21 02:23 PM
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james bay frontierOnt.
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The spring bear hunt was huge in NE ontario before the closure.Every town buisness and restaurants were packed with yankee licence plates.Michigan,Ohio,Pensylvania and New York were common.Many were repeat customers for years.Some even came up to help the outfitter with baits and clients and just fished but didnt hunt.One guy had 17 full body mounted bears in his trophy room,he didnt need any more.A buddy of mine worked for a local outfitter and when they got their bear he would bring clients up to my place at the canyon for a day to fish sturgeon.No money involved,just good customer relations,all part of the package.I'm sure my buddy Greg got good tips.It was real important income to small towns in the north.I did cash in by selling tanned wolves and lynx to many of the bearhunters to take back home.
it is starting to come back,and yes,there are still problem bears culled,but not nearly the amount that was done in the 10 years or so after the spring hunt ban.
What is much more important the resource is being used,and real money is being generated in the hinterland for local people in spin off buisnesses besides the outfitters.


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Re: Coyote Prices [Re: beaverpeeler] #7418429
11/30/21 02:27 PM
11/30/21 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Good posts Mark and your thoughts on the matter align with our late (and great) assoc. president Bob Gilman who was instrumental in defeating at least two ballot measures that would have banned tapping in Oregon.


I've been in the same senate hearing with Ingrid and the PETA bubble head company artisans watching them cry on cue, casting stares, and offering no quarter be given as they aim to gut the heart strings of legislators. >>>>>> when all a sudden they start showing STUPID pictures gathered from here and there. It's brutal.
Meanwhile, out in Rio Linda....

Heck, I don't care at the end of the day, and neither will we if we selfishly do what we do, when we want to, where we choose and with whom we choose, right?
The kicker is we live in 2021 and the world is as the world is.
You can live in the 13% of rural America but we all answer to the 87% who make the laws in the urban centers.
Until that changes, as one in the industry at many levels; participant, biz owner, association member and board dealings.... there is 0% upside with showing pics on a public forum, which are best kept on the iPhone.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: Giant Sage] #7418454
11/30/21 02:48 PM
11/30/21 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by Boco
Actually pictures of dead animals going to waste should be an assett to trappers in our fight with the antis for the hearts and minds of the general public.
There is one reason it does not work out that way,-Antis are liars and they have a lot of money.They take a picture of dead wasted animals and plaster it all over the media and blame it on the "bad"hunters or "bad" trappers.We dont have any advocates in government or the money in our organizations to get the real story out there so the general public only hears the lies-only the one side.They never hear the truth from our side so they can make up their own minds based on the full story.
There is an interesting proof of this fact.
Quite a few years ago the antis got the spring bear hunt closed in Ontario.They used their unlimited millions of dollars to lobby government and petition the public with lies about orphaned cubs and decimated numbers(untrue) They were successful-for a while until the truth came out in a repulsive manner.

Bears after several years of curtailed hunting by sport hunters grew to numbers that became a huge unmanageable nuisance in all the towns and cities in Northern Ontario.Quietly,people were hired to get rid of nuisance bears that were repeat offenders.
One summer day a hiker came across a huge pile of festering bear carcasses in the bush not far from a city in northern Ontario.Pictures were taken,plastered all over the media,and the SHTF.The Govt had some explaining to do.Why were there piles of dead bears rotting in the bush outside of cities in Northern Ontario when no bears were supposed to be hunted anymore?

The govt laid it out for the public in no uncertain terms.They said -did you people really think that just because sport hunting was banned that the animals would not have to be killed/culled when they created problems from becoming overpopulated?
A useful valuable resource had been reduced to a rotting pile of garbage thanks to the efforts of the antis.

it wasnt too long after when the public realized the antis were liars with ulterior motives other than the well being of the resource,that they supported the re instatement of the Ontario spring bear hunt.

So you can see it is not the "picture " itself that is the problem but who uses it and how it is used.

Because we have few resources to get the true story out to the public when antis use pictures and lie about it,our best recourse is to not provide the antis with stuff that can be used against us.

The vast majority of the general public has no aversion to trapping and use of renewable natural resource as long as they are assured the animals taken are harvested humanely,are not endangered are managed under laws that protect the resource and are used for the maximum benefit.

If only we had the resources and support to teach the general public the truth.

You hit the nail on the head Boco. If the antys get there way it will all be tax paid Govment trapper pit pile pickchaws!! The waste system.

If you want to hear anti lies that will pop your cork Google "Unhide Fur" and they'll tell you why Faux fur is better for the environment than real fur. Better yet click on their ads and cost them money. This is a campaign started by Ellen DeGeneros.

Last edited by wy.wolfer; 11/30/21 02:50 PM.
Re: Coyote Prices [Re: M.S. Pickins] #7528845
03/15/22 12:35 PM
03/15/22 12:35 PM
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A little look back at our forecasts

Re: Coyote Prices [Re: red mt] #7528871
03/15/22 01:12 PM
03/15/22 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by red mt
FHA will tell the story in the end this year [Linked Image]
That's the grade gents nothing other than these will make the grade imo

Wow! Beautiful fur. Red, you would not care for the NorthEast coyote.



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