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Separation of Church and State...education #7423533
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I say let the money follow the kids wherever they want to take it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...hurch-and-state/ar-AARwguk?ocid=msedgntp

Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423536
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Would that include home schooling?


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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423545
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people against parents being allowed to choose which school their kids tax funding goes, dont want to see public schools improve. keep kids dumb. easier to control them when they become adults. no more shop classes, no more home ec, no more civics. no history. no more teaching of american exceptionalism or patriotism. instead teach them america was created by evil men who should be scorned today along with their ideas of individual liberty and responsibility for ones own welfare.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Getting There] #7423546
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Would that include home schooling?

Good question.

Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423556
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In this state it's the teachers union that controls the money.

Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423565
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Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.

Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423568
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The founding document reads separation of the state from the church but as are so many other things in the "Law," when you get human thirst for power and greed coming from the state, it goes sideways or backwards.

Our Founding Fathers fled the corrupt British state-church union and some of my ancestors were on those early ships landing in MA. The Puritans sought to return to the faith's orthodoxy by forging a new nation and what a vision they had! We are here because of them. And the Anabaptists were the most vocal, battling the Anglican endorsed Kings (and Queens) of England and vice versa, but they too would flee the corruption in England and come to the new America.

I suspect that given today's politic environment in WDC, set apart from religious sponsorship as it is in the 21st century America, many on this forum woulda already got in their canoes and paddled for another vacant land if there was one available. grin
There isn't.

So now we all get to choose the alter upon which we kneel first and foremost.
Loyalty is the theme of epic movies many of us enjoy!
A recent survey said that Apple has the highest brand loyalty of any company in history at 92%.
None other like it.
There is more loyalty to an iPhone than there is to a nation, or the God who is sovereign over all things.
That's interesting.

I hope those kind of people don't sit on the nation's high bench.

They don't teach history in school much anymore so those of us who enjoy history realize we are doomed to repeat it.

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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Bear Tracker] #7423577
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.


Ok, so the first thing flowing from the pens of our Founding Fathers, was NOT separation of church and state. That is a liberal, progressive cattle call picked up from 1879 SCOTUS language of "separation of church and state," in a ruling that same year on the 1st Amendment.

Here's the passage which is meant to KEEP the government restricted (OFF THE BACK AND NECK) from church affairs;

1st Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


See how it's wordsmithed by our Founders to KEEP government at bay?
They had seen the power grab of the Imperials in England as the greatest nation on earth at that time and the Founders didn't want to relive that nightmare.
So here we are today, clamoring as a people for "rights!" and "Freedoms!" from the government.
It won't end well.
Because power always takes power from others.

They want to teach critical race theory, the ramping up of state power, in schools now
The state often bypasses the 1st amendment.
May God help our nation.

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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Bear Tracker] #7423588
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.

I don't want my tax dollars given to an ideology or religion (secular humanism) I do not support or agree with either.
You fail to realize that is happening now.


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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423602
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Seems to me some definition of terms is needed.

Exactly what do you (plural) oppose ?

Do you oppose public monies going to religious schools simply because they are religious schools or do you oppose the use of public monies for religious purposes ?


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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.



Funny i dont support the religion of climant change, science that claim there are more than two genders, or leftist teachers pushing all their views onto my kids. Are you ok with that?

There is nothing stoping gays to start a school or any other group and they would get the same benifits. The diffrence is now the left control the syatem and want to keep controll of the indoctrination and distruction of America. This will help keep Amarica alive.

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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Getting There] #7423632
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Would that include home schooling?



I think our Wisconsin Parents association would say they would rather it did not.

when you invite the devil's money you invite the devil.

they fought long and hard to make sure we only need to fill out very specific lines on the WPI Wisconsin department of Instruction's form

https://www.homeschooling-wpa.org/faqs/when-and-how-to-file-the-pi-1206/


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Bear Tracker] #7423634
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.


Your dollars? What about the dollars of the individuals sending their kids to private school?


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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Bear Tracker] #7423637
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.


You are absolutely right, the tax dollars should go to the parents and they should be allowed to educate their children where they want, public, private or home schooling.

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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.


You are absolutely right, the tax dollars should go to the parents and they should be allowed to educate their children where they want, public, private or home schooling.


I agree with Bernie, those choosing to put their kids in a private school, religious school, or home school should not pay taxes that fund the public school. Our tax system is a joke

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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tax dollars that I pay should not pay for religious education. If that is what you wish you pay for it. Separation of church and state. My dollars should not be given to a religion I do not support or agree with.

Thats fine and dandy as long as atheism is considered a religion .

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Bear Tracker;
Have you had a chance to reconsider or clarify your statement?
Maybe we should give BT a chance to reply before piling on anymore.

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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: rex123] #7423700
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Originally Posted by rex123
In this state it's the teachers union that controls the money.



Teacher Union should be removed. I get so sick of hearing teachers need more money. They knew what it paid when they went to school for it. Now want to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) when you need a 2ed job.


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Re: Separation of Church and State...education [Re: Posco] #7423714
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We need to lower taxes and only pay tax on necessary items. Leave more money in the hands of the people. End of story.


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Taxes to support schools are theoretically levied so we will have an educated society. Here it's property taxes. The percentage of my property taxes earmarked for schools wouldn't come close to covering tuition at a private school. Sorry kids--public school for you. Fortunately, ours is pretty good.

The solution is to improve public schools. They need improving.

This case is nonetheless interesting. I wonder how folks would feel if the Plaintiff was a Muslim wanting money for tuition at the madrasa.


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