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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
[Re: midlander]
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12/14/21 12:15 AM
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Mike in A-town
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Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) murdered his own mother in her sleep to gain access to the gun safe.
I don't know all the details of this case. I don't know if the kid had free reign with the pistol from the time it entered the house until he murdered with it... Or if it was locked in a safe.
Take a stroll over to YouTube and search for "picking a gun safe lock"
A determined child with ample time and opportunity can get into a gun safe rather easily... Maybe he only has 30 minutes after school before mom and dad get home from work. That's 2.5 hours of practice a week. Might take him 2 or 3 weeks but he can figure it out... And once he does figure it out he can sit in that info until he needs it.
Not saying this is what happened in the case we're referring to. But before you crucify someone for not locking up their guns in a safe make sure you know the facts.
Mike
Sorry Mike, but there is a huge difference with a parent not locking up their firearms and a kid who cracks a gun safe. The end result may be the same (somebody getting hurt), but the parents that locked the gun in the safe used reasonable precaution...the other parents did not. Do we know with certainty that these parents didn't lock the gun up? I don't trust 90% of the garbage that the media airs as "verifiable facts" these days... Half the time they use each other as sources. The Rittenhouse incident was a great example of this. How much of the crap we heard reported early on was found to be baseless garbage? And they NEVER issue a retraction. That's why Kyle will end up being a rich young man in the following few years. At a certain point you probably could have told a member of the media that he used a flamethrower and it would have made it to the air. Let's wait until actual evidence and testimony are presented before we begin arguing about who was careless and who exercised diligence. Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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12/14/21 12:27 AM
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I agree Mike. If you read my earlier post, youll see that I mentioned not reading the actual police...none of us have. Ill repeat, if the gun was locked up, the parents should not be held responsible. If not, and as White pointed out, they can find a statute that applies, then Im in favor of holding the parents responsible . Just my opinion, probably not even worth 2 cents
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 12:38 AM
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I have a problem with the whole “locked up” thing.
Pretty soon noting you are purchasing a gun for anything other than target shooting will disqualify you from owning one.
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 12:41 AM
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I can't believe how many people think it should be legal for the state to force you to lock up your guns in your own home. What good does a locked up gun do you when you need it on a moment's notice?
~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
[Re: midlander]
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12/14/21 12:44 AM
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Mike in A-town
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I agree Mike. If you read my earlier post, youll see that I mentioned not reading the actual police...none of us have. Ill repeat, if the gun was locked up, the parents should not be held responsible. If not, and as White pointed out, they can find a statute that applies, then Im in favor of holding the parents responsible . Just my opinion, probably not even worth 2 cents I agree. I'm just tired of the rush to judgement and knee-jerk reactions (and legislation) before all the facts are in. I'm on the fence about holding parents responsible for their children's actions... I see merits in both sides of the debate. One thing that gives me pause is experience within my own family. My mother is an honest, compassionate, Christian woman... A model of how a mother should be. Her sister is the complete polar opposite. Both raised in the same household by the same parents with the same standards... How is one so good and kind and the other, well, not? I can't imagine holding my grandparents responsible for my aunt's reprehensible behavior... I think short of drowning her at an early age there was little that could have been done. For whatever reason, some people are just garbage... or were unfortunate enough to get a head full of bad wiring. Tough call. Mike
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 12:46 AM
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I can't believe how many people think it should be legal for the state to force you to lock up your guns in your own home. What good does a locked up gun do you when you need it on a moment's notice? It preserves their value for the estate auction noted in your obituary.
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 12:49 AM
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There are several things that stand out about this. They have a text message to him from his mom telling him not to do it 15 minutes before he started shooting. And?
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 01:13 AM
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And what? Don't you kind of think if she sent that she had an idea as to what he was up to? So when your kid is running late for work and you think he might speed on the way you call the police and tell them or do you reach out and asked that he get a handle on himself before something bad happens?
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 02:20 AM
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I can't believe how many people think it should be legal for the state to force you to lock up your guns in your own home. What good does a locked up gun do you when you need it on a moment's notice? I don't think you understood the idea of locking the guns up . When they have their friends over , you don't know what the friends are capable of doing . I worked odd hours and sometimes would come home with a house full of kids from the neighborhood . I have loaded guns close to me at all times now . I don't like locking them up , but when I can't control who's in the house , I was making sure there wasn't an accident . My kids knew gun safety , but I have no idea what their friends knew . Even then my kids weren't allowed to have access to guns unless I was with them . Times are different than when I grew up , with guns being easily accessed , everyone knew how to handle guns for the most part out in the country . I especially kept the guns locked up with step children , even though I would take them hunting and teach them gun safety . Because they had some strange friends while living in town .
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 04:53 AM
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I can't believe how many people think it should be legal for the state to force you to lock up your guns in your own home. What good does a locked up gun do you when you need it on a moment's notice? I don't think you understood the idea of locking the guns up . When they have their friends over , you don't know what the friends are capable of doing . I worked odd hours and sometimes would come home with a house full of kids from the neighborhood . I have loaded guns close to me at all times now . I don't like locking them up , but when I can't control who's in the house , I was making sure there wasn't an accident . My kids knew gun safety , but I have no idea what their friends knew . Even then my kids weren't allowed to have access to guns unless I was with them . Times are different than when I grew up , with guns being easily accessed , everyone knew how to handle guns for the most part out in the country . I especially kept the guns locked up with step children , even though I would take them hunting and teach them gun safety . Because they had some strange friends while living in town . Did you lock up your knives? Gas cans? Medications?
-Goofy-
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 04:56 AM
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Yea if I thought my kid was going to kill someone at school I would call the police but I guess you wouldn't. You are going to play with words because it makes your version of what happened sound better. Kids are dead because of him and his parents. It certainly would be a possibility. Kids are dead because of HIM.
-Goofy-
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 09:31 AM
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Why would you say that when I’m talking about making a law dictating who can breed?
What are you some kind of liberal that only has an after thought? I smiled when I read this. The typical argument from someone who has no argument, call them a liberal!!!! Dictating breeding is another form of Communism, just like China with their quota system. Are you some kind of communist that only has an after thought?? LOL 
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Re: Parents Charged with Manslaughter
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12/14/21 09:59 AM
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Why would you say that when I’m talking about making a law dictating who can breed?
What are you some kind of liberal that only has an after thought? I smiled when I read this. The typical argument from someone who has no argument, call them a liberal!!!! Dictating breeding is another form of Communism, just like China with their quota system. Are you some kind of communist that only has an after thought?? LOL I mentioned legislating who can become a parent and you bring up abortion, talk about no argument. lol
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