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Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: coonlove] #7439691
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Originally Posted by coonlove
These are found associated with Hopewell and Adena cultures as well as later Mississippian sites. Most of the ones I have seen were from the midwest and were made from banded slate.

This one could be banded slate...but it has a green hue to it. Either one....it traveled a good ways to get here.


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Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7439696
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Another cool aspect about this is......greenstone only occurs in parts of Canada and out in Wyoming. Some long trade routes for that to get to southeast Georgia.


So there was Canadian snow birds even back in that day.
Very nice find and thanks for the refresher course. I have not seen any in my travels.

Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7439759
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Nice, here's one I found a while back. Not as nice shaped as yours. I used to have a pretty large collection of Indian artifacts until a family member decided they needed it more than I did. [Linked Image]

Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7439784
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I’m a lil dubious about there usage as jewelry/adornment, or throat protector. That thought comes from Europeans usage of a similar item back in the time of knights of Armor. Just thinking logically, the design seems clunky and cumbersome to wear on your person. It does look like it would be a great net weight etc. I may be wrong, but so could everyone else. I just can’t see an Indian wearing a stone bow tie. Thoughts?

Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: tomahawker] #7439855
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Originally Posted by tomahawker
I’m a lil dubious about there usage as jewelry/adornment, or throat protector. That thought comes from Europeans usage of a similar item back in the time of knights of Armor. Just thinking logically, the design seems clunky and cumbersome to wear on your person. It does look like it would be a great net weight etc. I may be wrong, but so could everyone else. I just can’t see an Indian wearing a stone bow tie. Thoughts?

Thought about that too. But, I read that Spaniards amd other European explorers in the southeast US observed the natives wearing them. They have also been found in burials fastened around the neck area, the head area and even the waist/hip area. It is also thought that the larger, thicker ones were used as atlatl weights/bannerstones.

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Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7439886
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In the late 1950's I was with my grandfather on an archeological dig in eastern Tennessee. We excavated an Indian grave where the woman had a large raw copper gorget that was apparently a necklace. When she was buried it wound up on the side of her face. The copper preserved the skin and hair under it for around 1000 years. This, last I know of, is in the Museum of Natural History in New York City.

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Originally Posted by eric space
In the late 1950's I was with my grandfather on an archeological dig in eastern Tennessee. We excavated an Indian grave where the woman had a large raw copper gorget that was apparently a necklace. When she was buried it wound up on the side of her face. The copper preserved the skin and hair under it for around 1000 years. This, last I know of, is in the Museum of Natural History in New York City.

That's neat stuff.


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Re: Very Nice Find.... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7439964
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To my understanding, most of these pieces were a banded slate or soapstone. Easy to work into a shape. Different tribes used different shapes and were worn mostly ceremonial. Over the years I've found tons of broken ones as they break easy at the holes. The Midwest seems to be the hot areas for slate pieces but the best ones seem to come out of the KY, OH, IN triangle.

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Weather for ceremonial, jewelry, or other reasons they may have had multiple uses as stone age people didn't just tote around rocks for no reason. The burial cases must be given a lot of credence.


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Swamp, think it could it be Catoctin Greenstone, from Maryland?


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Originally Posted by DavidInMT
Swamp, think it could it be Catoctin Greenstone, from Maryland?

Very possible. I'm not real familiar with origins of some of the lithics. I've found some unusual stone down here. Some I can ID...others not so much. Most of the points, blades and tools found here are made from agatized coral that the natives discovered embedded in limestone outcroppings along local river here.

Thanks for info. I'll look that up


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