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Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? #7444057
12/28/21 09:52 PM
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One rancher that I trap on who's father used to harvest and finish a lot of coyotes said his dad used "clorox 2" to lighten coyotes. Anybody ever heard of using a bleach on coyotes?


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444082
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I'm petty sure it would make the hair slip, but not sure...unless diluted a certain way.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444085
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That would lighten a coyote allright-when all the hair fell out.
Bleach is a strong alkali-destroys keratin which holds the hair in a raw skin.

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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444305
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I heard barkeeper's friend was good to use

Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444313
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I use Oxi Clean to remove any blood from the hide. It sure does a great job and It dosen't hurt the fur or the leather.

I also use straight bleach to remove green belly on critters. It doesn't hurt the leather or the fur.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444373
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Hydrogen peroxide is used in the taxidermy industry to whiten european skulls. It is better than bleach since it doesn’t damage the bone like bleach does. It may work on fur too. Might be worth checking out. Comes in gallons as well based on strength.

Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444459
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I use bleach when I wash all my coyote. But don't put it directly to fur. I run them thru washing machine but used to just add some to a 5 gallon bucket of water. Never had one slip from it. It will also stop green belly on snared coyote. When they come out of wash you won't know they had a green belly unless they were really bad going in. And those need to be fleshed and dried immediately!
I would have thought there would be tons of post on this one. Lots and lots of people I know wash in bleach water. With a wash machine I use bleach dog whitening shampoo and a bit of downie. They sure look purty when they come out.
If you just want to take blood out without a bunch of water hydrogen peroxide on a sponge will work well. It also neutralize skunk odor. You can buy it in livestock section.

Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444472
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I use only borax and cold water. A fur buyer I knew used downy fabric softener in the rinse cycle. Know a few guys that used peroxide for red bellied yotes. Makes the fur brittle is what I was told. Never used bleach.



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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Coyote Clayton] #7444474
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Originally Posted by Coyote Clayton
I use only borax and cold water. A fur buyer I knew used downy fabric softener in the rinse cycle. Know a few guys that used peroxide for red bellied yotes. Makes the fur brittle is what I was told. Never used bleach.

That's what my Wyoming friend said yesterday while riding with me on my short line

Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444509
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hydrogen peroxide sure helps get the blood out ,complete with foaming action!


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444607
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Thanks for everybody's input. Hope to get some more opinions.
Some of my trapped coyotes come from red dirt area's and can be awfully dirty and dark.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444631
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To me one of the best things you can do for a coyote is wash it in a washing machine. I ran up to seven in a load when I worked skinning and washed them in tide. That was before the day of all the fancy shampoo. Some bleach in a washing machine should not hurt them if it is not too strong. Just look at the water that come out on the first spin cycle and that will tell you what it is doing. I always ran them on a cold cycle.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444644
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Yep machine wash. A little bleach to kill bacteria may not hurt but forget about trying to bleach the fur a paler shade.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444792
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Chemicals and detergents used on raw fur leads to higher blowout percentage at the dressers.These looses to the end user get passed on to all trappers in lower offers for pelts to make up for blowout.

No chemicals or detergents are needed on raw fur.If you have muddy fur from live catches before freezeup,or an extreme amount of blood on fur from poor handling a rinse in cold water is all that is necessary.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444796
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If washing them wasn't making trappers money, some probably wouldn't be doing it. I bet they come out paler and silkier. Coyotes are filthy, even here.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444802
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Blowout at the dressers costs all trappers money in the end.Whether 5 10 or as high as 15% those costs to the end user get passed on to the trapper with lower offers for all skins..
All the dirt can be blown out of a skin with a compressor or shop vac.Also leaves the natural oils in the fur that gets removed with detergents.
Much less work(and expense) for the trapper than all the un-neccesary washing with detergents.
It makes no sense for trappers to go to extra work and expense that in the end harms the industry with lower offers on thecollection due to low confidence in the end product.

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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444819
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"Remember to clean any dirt or blood from the pelt using sawdust or wash it with cold water
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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444840
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Dirt or blood,or grease in a pelt is only an issue when it is so bad it prevents the grader from accurately evaluating a pelt.Method of trapping often dictates this.
Normal dry blood(turns to dust when brushed) or detritus in a fur out pelt is drummed out at the auction before grading.A trapper can blow that stuff out of a pelt with a shop vac or compressor if Selling to a middleman.Fur in pelts should be dried and brushed on the carcass.If there is dried blood dust or mud dust it can be blown out before skinning.
With water animals like beaver that are bloody or silted,can be rinsed at the catch site,fur dried before skinning and blown on the catcass or after they come off the boards.
Muddy coon,mink etc can be rinsed at the catch site,and blown on the carcass before put up.'
A brushed and blown pelt looks just as good and often better than a pelt that has been washed/ overhandled.

The more work you do,especially un necessary work and other overhandling means your bottom line is less-if your time counts in your calculation of profits.
Not all pelts need to be blown let alone washed. A brushing is often all that is necessary to present a pelt that can be properly evaluated by a grader.Any more than that and you are working for nothing.


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Re: Anybody ever use bleach on coyotes? [Re: Larry Bowden] #7444867
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Cant turn a sows ear into a purse good way to damage a pelt and lose a buyers trust but guessing the outcome would be what the heck happened to this pelt.

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