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Biden to subsidize meat farmers #7450396
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So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450402
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Been happening in farming my whole life and unfortunately has been ever growing in the cattle industry for probably the last 10 years. A lot of people who say they are against socialism find an excuse to justify when it means $ going in their pocket.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450403
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I haven’t heard that but I hope they don’t do it. They have tried this over and over and it never works. One of the greatest Presidents ever Ronolds Maximas found that out with the CRP program. If I remember right from my Ag Econ class in college. A farmer that had 100 acres of land and put 50 into CRP raised more on the 50 then he used to on the 100!! There isn’t much of a free market left but it needs left alone. Is he to stupid to understand that throwing money at people is why inflation is through the roof or he is trying to make it worse?


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Pawnee] #7450408
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
I haven’t heard that but I hope they don’t do it. They have tried this over and over and it never works. One of the greatest Presidents ever Ronolds Maximas found that out with the CRP program. If I remember right from my Ag Econ class in college. A farmer that had 100 acres of land and put 50 into CRP raised more on the 50 then he used to on the 100!! There isn’t much of a free market left but it needs left alone. Is he to stupid to understand that throwing money at people is why inflation is through the roof or he is trying to make it worse?

It's about buying control which equals power later on Brad.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450409
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The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isn’t the one making the money, it’s the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the “meat farmers”

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450412
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Biden wants to subsidize an industry a good deal of his base wants to kill? Who is he trying to buy off?

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450416
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Great topic. I find that often those that cry about socialism are quite quick to benefit from it when it feeds their pocket. I also do not think it is wrong to subsidize cattle ranchers or grain farmers, it’s just wrong for them to not recognize it. Disclaimer: I come from agricultural family. smile

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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: rvsask] #7450417
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Great topic. I find that often those that cry about socialism are quite quick to benefit from it when it feeds their pocket. I also do not think it is wrong to subsidize cattle ranchers or grain farmers, it’s just wrong for them to not recognize it. Disclaimer: I come from agricultural family. smile

I've spend my whole life in agriculture and hate the government involvement and most of the problems the industry doesn't like is tied to government involvement. Less chance of risk has made for less chance of profits and plays into the hands of corporate farming

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450422
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This subject gets me to upset so I'll say one more thing and then shut up.

Sustainability is the biggest buzz word in agriculture. How Sustainable are we really when we are always "needing" government $. Ag groups don't want less help they are constantly lobbying for more aid.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450423
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If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450425
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Well gee. This process worked great when Biden interfered with the free market and released the strategic petroleum reserves to lower gas prices. Insert sarcasm font.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450430
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Just another way of buying votes.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: G Hose] #7450431
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Originally Posted by G Hose
The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isn’t the one making the money, it’s the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the “meat farmers”


And once again, government goes to a solution that doesnt address the problem.

Whole thing reminds me of the “free college” bologna. We all know college costs a ridiculous amount of money for what you get. But giving it away “free” doesn’t address the problem.

We know what the “problem” is in the beef industry.

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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: upstateNY] #7450432
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


Careful Upstate, they might go for that idea and take more of your's and my money to pay you not to trap, but then pay others to trap...


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Redknot] #7450434
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


Careful Upstate, they might go for that idea and take more of your's and my money to pay you not to trap, but then pay others to trap...

Just got to figure out how we can get in on both ends of the deal. smile


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Yes sir] #7450439
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
This subject gets me to upset so I'll say one more thing and then shut up.

Sustainability is the biggest buzz word in agriculture. How Sustainable are we really when we are always "needing" government $. Ag groups don't want less help they are constantly lobbying for more aid.


Exactly and now every farm magazine I get in the mail has a couple articles on carbon credits or environmental crap. National Corn Growers and groups like them spend most of their time with their hands out hoping big brother fills them up.


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450442
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This is just the government trying to fix a problem they created . The USDA has had its foot on the neck of small meat processing facilities for decades . Their regulation and unfair inspection rules that cater to the megaplants have created a monopoly where the packers set the price they are going to pay for livestock and they set the price the grocers pay for the meat . They have been gouging the consumer and gouging the farmers pretty bad .

This money is earmarked for small meat processors to create some competition and a more resilient food chain .

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450444
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The Chinese are having a huge effect on meat prices. Think Biden brought this up to the Chinese in his conference call? They must have talked about something besides Hunter's art.:


Smithfield Foods was founded in Virginia in 1936, and its pork products are ubiquitous in U.S. supermarkets, but the company was actually bought by WH Group, formerly known as Shuanghui International, for $4.7 billion in 2013.

Smithfield became a subsidiary of the publicly traded Chinese corporation after the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) said the acquisition would not endanger national security.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: G Hose] #7450445
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Originally Posted by G Hose
The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isn’t the one making the money, it’s the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the “meat farmers”

You’re right about the packers making the money, that’s for sure. The same problem exists here. China’s percentage of US land ownership is almost immeasurable in terms of %, it’s less than what European nations and even us pesky Canadians own there. However, it shouldn’t be allowed to happen, there, or anywhere.

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Then the time comes for the skinny cows to eat the fat cows. Its been going on since Joseph and Pharaoh.

The eating population loves free markets when prices are cheap, not so much when they are high !

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