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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Yes sir] #7450569
01/04/22 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Been happening in farming my whole life and unfortunately has been ever growing in the cattle industry for probably the last 10 years. A lot of people who say they are against socialism find an excuse to justify when it means $ going in their pocket.

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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450570
01/04/22 12:36 PM
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Well its working different crisis different day don't hear much bout Afghanistan, immigrants,redistricting,censorship anymore gas has dropped 40 cents Here, BLM and defunding police is old news Couple stimulus checks should seal the deal in Nov. 2022


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450572
01/04/22 12:43 PM
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My fisherman neighbor was cut a federal 40k check two summers ago for being impacted by the "China Tariffs" Before you say fishermen feed the world, he targets Copper River Reds that start at 25 bucks and up retail. King crab, geoduck clams, sea cucs and urchin are all high end products, most with an asian market. Not feeding the masses. I have an issue with that.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Dirt] #7450592
01/04/22 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
My favorite program is ethanol subsidies and mandates. Take tax dollars to drive the price of corn up, hence the cost of any food produced or made with corn, for the taxpayer. Then put ethanol in gas so it goes bad and damages the taxpayers' equipment. All to benefit corn farmers. less than 1% of the U.S. population. Winners less than 1%, losers greater than 99%. This is not even good socialism.

Make even more sense when you can buy ethanol from Brazil for 10 cents/gallon.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450603
01/04/22 01:48 PM
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Only the Government can regulate a profitable sector out of prosperity and then decide to subsidize it to waste money. LOL But then they gain control of it.

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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450616
01/04/22 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.



Its not to benefit you-it is so people who have little money and dont pay taxes and vote for Joe can eat prime rib too.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450617
01/04/22 02:03 PM
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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Boco] #7450621
01/04/22 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.



Its not to benefit you-it is so people who have little money and dont pay taxes and vote for Joe can eat prime rib too.



Nah, most of that money goes back to the politicians who passed it via donations.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: upstateNY] #7450625
01/04/22 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


I tried that ... asking for a couple of grand for not buying a gun this month .... no luck


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450646
01/04/22 02:41 PM
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More regulations since January and now to fix the crisis they created. Go figure.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450648
01/04/22 02:51 PM
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The world needs farmers small and large,bottom line they need to get a decent price for there labor with a good crop.Case hit it on the nail,when my Dad farmed up untill 10 years ago the land was paid for and 90% of the equipment too.He farmed 700 acres and every year he would burrow money to put the crops in long story short most year it took about 100k gross to net 30K some years more many years less with a fair price for everything to help cover the input etc. a person should be able to net 40 to 60K for the about of time and know how,if you break it down by a hourly wage it would SUCK!!!!!That's my take on it other than our president does'nt have a clue on MANY MANY things.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450654
01/04/22 03:00 PM
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I always say $6 corn is no good for anyone but me and only good for me a month or two at best. High corn means high everything. Cost of gain in the feed yards is terrible, close to $1/pound right now! Anhydrous was $400 last winter $1400-1500 now! Roundup was $15/gal now $65! I personally think itís going to only get worse


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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450660
01/04/22 03:11 PM
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They are doing their best to WRECK AMERICA thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450713
01/04/22 03:56 PM
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There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450729
01/04/22 04:17 PM
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This says to help independent meat processors, nothing about producers.
Biden outlined plans to distribute $1 billion from the coronavirus relief package to help independent meat processors expand. He also highlighted money to train workers in the industry and improve conditions, as well as issue new rules for meatpackers and labeling requirements for being designated a ďProduct of USA.Ē

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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: Bigfoot] #7450731
01/04/22 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .

I havenít read the bill, but I agree 100% on labeling. Itís actually billions of pounds of beef imported, but thatís a moot point. I prefer to know where my food comes from, I canít see why that as a requirement is a poor idea.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: rvsask] #7450751
01/04/22 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by Bigfoot
There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .

I havenít read the bill, but I agree 100% on labeling. Itís actually billions of pounds of beef imported, but thatís a moot point. I prefer to know where my food comes from, I canít see why that as a requirement is a poor idea.


Well, rvsask don't feel alone. Danvee was right about one thing, and one thing only. We are going back to the futile system, and the futility of it is trying to communicate when people only hear what they want to hear. I'm not putting words in his mouth but I think he means feudal. As for the farm bill better get yourself a few Red Bull's and a good ag. Lawyer nobody has/can read that thing. The best you can do is head to the local USDA office and talk to the fellow in charge of your area of interest and hope he gets it right. Another day another fellow and you may get another opinion. I have never been able to wrap my head around the US importing beef, or lamb for that matter, but we do. Go figure. I see you are to the great white north you don't even have to do that, well good on you. Good luck with the queen in such matters.
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Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: rick olson] #7450752
01/04/22 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rick olson
The world needs farmers small and large,bottom line they need to get a decent price for there labor with a good crop.Case hit it on the nail,when my Dad farmed up untill 10 years ago the land was paid for and 90% of the equipment too.He farmed 700 acres and every year he would burrow money to put the crops in long story short most year it took about 100k gross to net 30K some years more many years less with a fair price for everything to help cover the input etc. a person should be able to net 40 to 60K for the about of time and know how,if you break it down by a hourly wage it would SUCK!!!!!That's my take on it other than our president does'nt have a clue on MANY MANY things.

What if you replaced the word "Farmer" with "trapper" and "Crops with "Traps" Not quite that kind of money for me but about the same percentage wise.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450763
01/04/22 05:07 PM
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Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers [Re: bowhunter27295] #7450802
01/04/22 06:11 PM
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people need to skip the grocery store.....farmers are selling hambuger for 50 cents a pound and its over 5 dollars a pound in the store...buy strait from the farmer and grind your own meat.

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