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Forester experience #7451426
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Has anyone had any experience using a forester - is it worth getting one to sell timber? What percentage do they get? Have some wooded property that we are thinking of select cutting. Thanks.

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Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451445
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Don't know we're u are in wpa but most of your big logging companies with there own mills have foresters on staff , u can discuss a plan with them on harvest duration and what and when to cut, but always get a couple of bids we use one particular company and I'm in western pa

Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451451
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educate yourself on "high Grading" before any logging by mill Foresters or any Forester for that matter.
But if all you care about is the money then never mind.

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Thanks- property is in Forest County, PA

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Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451460
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Call DCNR's Bureau of Forestry for free advice from a person who doesn't stand to gain financially from your decision



Re: Forester experience [Re: Dirty D] #7451476
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
educate yourself on "high Grading" before any logging by mill Foresters or any Forester for that matter.
But if all you care about is the money then never mind.

Dirty D is correct, never use a mill's forester, too much of a conflict of interest. NEVER sell timber without a forester, try to find one that works by the hour for marking/scaling and then inspection during harvest and close out for the bond. Yes, require a bond so all the work is completed to the forester and your satisfaction.

Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451488
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I worked as a Consultant Forester for the last 25 years. Hire a private Consultant Forester to work for you, and tell them what your goals are.
The big lumber mill foresters work for the mill and not the landowner. Most Consultants in northern NY charge 15% if they set up a competitive bid timber sale.

Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451524
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Squashís family has been in the timber business a looong time, thatís good advice, each timber species has a financial maturity, You should consider your age and the long term goals for the property in your decision.

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always remember that MANAGING timber is much more involved than just
Selling it. Foresters have the knowledge/experience to do both.


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Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451532
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Very good advice here. I've nothing to add except to tell of a horror story where my brother had some "selective" logging done on 160 acres in northern BC. He walked the acreage with a logger/forester, identified what he wanted to have done....and when he came back after the logging it was a wholesale clearcut with just a few wispy trees left, which to my brother's thinking ruined the land. He ended up selling it and was heartbroken.

He did make a lot of money though from the mill.


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Re: Forester experience [Re: pacoonhunter1] #7451538
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If you are in Western PA give the guys at Generations Forestry a call. It's a good family owned business.

Re: Forester experience [Re: mike mason] #7451586
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Originally Posted by mike mason
Originally Posted by Dirty D
educate yourself on "high Grading" before any logging by mill Foresters or any Forester for that matter.
But if all you care about is the money then never mind.

Dirty D is correct, never use a mill's forester, too much of a conflict of interest. NEVER sell timber without a forester, try to find one that works by the hour for marking/scaling and then inspection during harvest and close out for the bond. Yes, require a bond so all the work is completed to the forester and your satisfaction.


Respectfully disagree. Mill foresters can be great assets for the timberland owner. However in this situation the advice not to rely upon one for the entirety of the sale of a harvest is correct. You need either a disinterested third party or sellers agent to perform the cruise and bid plus to be on board through completion of contract to ensure its done properly.
Where a mill forestor can be of help is in the planning stages of planting, management and preparation to harvest as mill foresters, LOCAL MILLS, will know and understand local markets and demand as well as tree species and soils. It may also get you some access to his or her assets such as planting crews, seedling stock, and other services as many mills are now offering services to landowners.
Timber is a multi year process and networking with buyers years in advance whether you eventually sell to them or not is only good business practice.

We have a working relationship with Scotch Timber for ours in a consulting arrangement.

But like all things business if you ain't got a clue its best to hire it done and caveat emptor applies.

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Trappers have had great posts on this in the past.
I vote hire independent, BUT, listen to these guys.

If any of you folks are around an active cut or ready in near future.
And selling log truck loads of tops and culls for firewood.
PM me I may snag one if decent.

I got beat up by white fir last year and my wood pile suffered.





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...never use a mill's forester, too much of a conflict of interest. NEVER sell timber without a forester, try to find one that works by the hour for marking/scaling and then inspection during harvest and close out for the bond. Yes, require a bond so all the work is completed to the forester and your satisfaction.

Hire a private Consultant Forester to work for you, and tell them what your goals are.
The big lumber mill foresters work for the mill and not the landowner. Most Consultants in northern NY charge 15% if they set up a competitive bid timber sale.


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Hope you like to cut firewood. My experience was a nightmare of tops left lying everywhere. A once beautiful woods turned into a brush pile you canít see 25 yards thru.

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Originally Posted by tomahawker
Hope you like to cut firewood. My experience was a nightmare of tops left lying everywhere. A once beautiful woods turned into a brush pile you canít see 25 yards thru.


top disposal should have been addressed in the contract.



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Originally Posted by tomahawker
Hope you like to cut firewood. My experience was a nightmare of tops left lying everywhere. A once beautiful woods turned into a brush pile you canít see 25 yards thru.


This comment is exactly why I stated you need to decide what your goals for the property are. Tops remaining on the ground can and are good forestry. As they rot they regenerate the soil and also they protect young hardwood regeneration from over browsing by deer. If you are a deer hunter, remember if you can see more than 60 yards through your forest, it is poor deer habitat. Most hardwood tops decay in 5-7 years. If you want a park like forest , then hire a logger with a whole tree chipper and chip the tops, but there is a down size to that harvest as well.

My experience has been most landowners talk about wanting sustainable forestry practices on their land , but once the money starts flowing many forget about good management.

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I am going to suggest you start out with your local extension service forester. Walk the land with him/her and discuss what you want to do both short and long term. Listen to that advice, and carefully consider all the options presented. Also remember that some loggers do a better overall job than others.

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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by tomahawker
Hope you like to cut firewood. My experience was a nightmare of tops left lying everywhere. A once beautiful woods turned into a brush pile you canít see 25 yards thru.


This comment is exactly why I stated you need to decide what your goals for the property are. Tops remaining on the ground can and are good forestry. As they rot they regenerate the soil and also they protect young hardwood regeneration from over browsing by deer. If you are a deer hunter, remember if you can see more than 60 yards through your forest, it is poor deer habitat. Most hardwood tops decay in 5-7 years. If you want a park like forest , then hire a logger with a whole tree chipper and chip the tops, but there is a down size to that harvest as well.

My experience has been most landowners talk about wanting sustainable forestry practices on their land , but once the money starts flowing many forget about good management.


Yup, managing forestland is never one and done or just showing up to cash the check. It's farming without the annual deadlines over generational spans.
The slash left behind can be just as important anything else. Ours will wash in a heartbeat if the ground isn't protected and we got the evidence to prove it. The big cut that took the old growth longleaf back around 1880 left washes you could drop a house into. That's probably our biggest trouble area today getting equipment safely into some areas and keeping the washes stable and not growing. The plain fact is that there's some trees we just can't harvest as there's no way to safely snake them out of the holes they are in.
The big cut we did in 1980 had the slash pushed and windrowed across the slopes to hold the soil. Some of those windrows were 6'-8' tall. Evidence of them can still be seen on aerial photos today.

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A consulting forester gets paid a percentage of the sale price. I have cruised timber for several foresters and consulting foresters got the most money. You pay a percentage of the sale but you will get more.

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