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my morning rant , then it will be over #7452320
01/06/22 12:04 PM
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well we had covid here , so today is the first day my son can go back to work he has been working for a local auto shop for about a month they like him , he likes it there all seemed well

he goes in and they said , ahhh yeah we needed to talk to you , our insurance company called us and says we can't keep you 18 is too young to work on cars

never mind he has been doing a good job for a month and was working out well , his other co-worker left just before Christmas to take a job at a different shop where they could pay more

so the owner is down to himself now.

what the hey , since when is 18 too young to have a job where do they expect to get decent workers if they have to turn down capable young men who are doing good work

I know I was too young when I started working in a shop I was about 3 months short of turning 18 and I am sure the manager made a sloppy enough looking 8 into a 3 so that I was 5 months older.

but he waited till he was 18 and then some

at a time when people employers are screaming they need people it seems like all sorts of stupid

luckily he took my advice and didn't go into hock with the tool truck but he was excited to go back with a pile of new tools he had gotten for Christmas and ordered while he was off with covid this last week. unfortunately he is tool rich and money poor at the moment

well the boy is looking for a job again

ok rant over


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452325
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That sucks man. Must be a liability issue?

Hopefully he finds work soon. lots of jobs out there it seems like.

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452327
01/06/22 12:08 PM
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I would be looking at different insurance companies! At 18 you should be able to work anywhere as long as you're qualified especially in a shop. That is nuts.

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452329
01/06/22 12:09 PM
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Insurance companies rule, unfortunately!


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452334
01/06/22 12:15 PM
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Perhaps he can go into business for himself? Auto version of flipping houses.

Find one that needs some work, buy it cheap, fix it up and sell it? We have an old Ford F150 that would be a good candidate for such a kid. Probably around everywhere if one wants to look.

If that works out, there is an extended full blown business model along the same lines.

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452337
01/06/22 12:17 PM
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Wouldnít that be age discrimination? Who sets the age you can work on cars?

The bank canít tell a 90yr old they canít take out a 30yr loan. Insurance company or not, that seems fishy.

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452339
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Doesn't sound legal to me. Can you legally get canned because of your age? Sounds fishy. At least the job market is wide open for a young man but that stinks


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452341
01/06/22 12:21 PM
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Maybe the employer just wanted to fire little Johnny and made something up? We will never know.


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452343
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WOW thought I heard all the BS stories in my lifetime course this is the Covid era and places probably make more being shutdown nowdays
Kudo's to your son No question he will find work and his place in life


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: Turtledale] #7452376
01/06/22 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Turtledale
Doesn't sound legal to me. Can you legally get canned because of your age? Sounds fishy. At least the job market is wide open for a young man but that stinks


technical laid off but when your part time there is no unemployment so whatever

I told him when we go to pick up his tool box with the trailer , ask for a letter of reference so that you can show what you were doing and that you were a casualty of insurance and not something else.

a good word from a happy employer even if they had to let you go because of the insurance man is better than nothing. I am sure it puts him in a bind down to zero mechanics besides himself with 6 bays and it wasn't like they had many slow days.


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452378
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That is crap. Military guys getting insurance or did they fire all the 18 year olds too?

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452381
01/06/22 01:03 PM
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I suspect it's related to the type of work - auto repair. The scope of working on automobiles necessitates test drives. Likely the insurance company has written acceptance guidelines which restrict them from providing auto (garage) liability insurance where they know young drivers will be conducting test drives. I doubt it has anything to do with the young man's skill or ability as a mechanic or his quality as a worker. And, sometimes it is the insurance company's insurance company (the reinsurer) that dictates such underwriting restrictions. Sometimes you just can't "fight city hall" no matter how illogical the reasoning.

It most definitely is age discrimination. But insurance underwriting is purely and entirely discrimination based on all sorts of factors - age just being one of them. There's nothing wrong or illegal about discrimination unless it is unfair or illegal discrimination. Due to age being a quantifiable and known increase in risk, age discrimination in insurance is neither unfair or illegal.

Back when I sold a lot of garage liability insurance, we sometimes worked around this problem by the auto repair facility having a written policy that precludes mechanics under the age of 25 (or mechanics with a DUI history) from test driving customer cars or operating tow trucks if they had them. That means another mechanic would need to do the test drive and report his findings to the other mechanic doing the work. But not every insurance company would accept that work-around.


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452387
01/06/22 01:10 PM
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What a world we live in. Best wishes for your son as I am sure he will work hard somewhere else.

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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452392
01/06/22 01:14 PM
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How old does one have to be to work at that shop?


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: Kart29] #7452397
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Originally Posted by Kart29
I suspect it's related to the type of work - auto repair. The scope of working on automobiles necessitates test drives. Likely the insurance company has written acceptance guidelines which restrict them from providing auto (garage) liability insurance where they know young drivers will be conducting test drives. I doubt it has anything to do with the young man's skill or ability as a mechanic or his quality as a worker. And, sometimes it is the insurance company's insurance company (the reinsurer) that dictates such underwriting restrictions. Sometimes you just can't "fight city hall" no matter how illogical the reasoning.

It most definitely is age discrimination. But insurance underwriting is purely and entirely discrimination based on all sorts of factors - age just being one of them. There's nothing wrong or illegal about discrimination unless it is unfair or illegal discrimination. Due to age being a quantifiable and known increase in risk, age discrimination in insurance is neither unfair or illegal.

Back when I sold a lot of garage liability insurance, we sometimes worked around this problem by the auto repair facility having a written policy that precludes mechanics under the age of 25 (or mechanics with a DUI history) from test driving customer cars or operating tow trucks if they had them. That means another mechanic would need to do the test drive and report his findings to the other mechanic doing the work. But not every insurance company would accept that work-around.


I am sure this is probably exactly what it is , he has to be able to pull cars in and out at a minimum and get them on the rack.

he is going to try some other shops , a good friend of his worked for a shop next town over at 17 and left recently to go to diesel mechanics school in October, he is going to try them tomorrow and see if they need help.

his mother wouldn't mind the vacation day he would buy her if he came to work at the plant she works at they are looking for farm implement assemblers , she is an administrative assistant in the parts office.


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Canít work on cars but can join the army, shoot machine guns and work on million dollar tanks? I didnít even bring up voting for president/congress/senate.

Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452406
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"Pizza Hut restaurants require delivery drivers reach the age of 18 prior to employment. Job seekers may find other employment requirements for pizza delivery jobs, such as a clean driving record, good sense of direction, clean-cut dress code, and some basic mental math skills. Most importantly, a delivery driver with Pizza Hut must already have a friendly and courteous attitude toward customers and coworkers."


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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452419
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Youd think they'd of known that fact before even posting the position. Or the insurance agent they used is garbage.

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Re: my morning rant , then it will be over [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7452420
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I had a friend years ago who during high school, worked at a fast-food location that had a meat slicer. Because of his age, he could not go near it. Probably insurance or OSHA rule. This was in the min 60s.

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Sacked groceries for a time in high school. Part of the job included cleanup in the back... I could break down boxes and load them in the crusher/baler but I couldn't push the button to operate the ram... But on my 18th birthday I was magically imbued with all the responsibility and maturity required to push said button.

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