Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
[Re: Canvasback2]
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Where in the world do they think the electricity is going to come from?
WHO MADE THIS MESS ALL OVER MY FLOOR THE MUDTRACKER WAS HERE HE HE HE
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
[Re: Canvasback2]
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I would propose that all the electric car proponents be forced to travel the upper plains for a few winters themselves. These A.wholes will be killing piles of people that get stranded due to blizzards and such. Might pass the buck in southern regions, not so much here. Be interesting to see how these things will handle true cold and snow.
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
[Re: Canvasback2]
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Dig deep enough Ill bet you find those green politicians are invested heavily in the grid now the real reason for the big push~
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Dig deep enough Ill bet you find those green politicians are invested heavily in the grid now the real reason for the big push~ Exactly
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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The problem is the grid won't be able to support all the electric demand needed. There will be massive rolling black outs. They don't care.
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Don't you know that electricity comes from recepticles in the wall??? It's been available, convenient, and reliable for so long that many people have no real idea where it comes from or what it takes to produce. It's the same situation with food. These people think food just comes from the grocery store.
Electric utility companies have long known that the key to providing a reliable supply is a diverse mix of generation methods. When one method is impacted negatively the others help meet the demand. The same principle applies to individual homes. There is nothing better than having multiple ways of heating your home (electric, wood, gas) and nothing worse than being driven out of your home because you can't heat it during a severe cold spell. Going all electric is creating an unnecessary vulnerability. Law Dog is right, it is going to cause some people to lose their lives, but until that happens there will be no changing the minds of these idiots.
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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The problem is the grid won't be able to support all the electric demand needed. There will be massive rolling black outs. this^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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01/08/22 10:17 AM
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They have learned nothing last winter when people died in Texas with the power outages in the cold snap they had. They have their agenda and are going to push it through, no matter the cost or if it is wanted by the people they supposedly work for. Or if it is indeed possible or not for the many reasons that speak against this idiotic ideal they are working towards. None of the people in charge have bothered to run the numbers or even understand them.
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Let's go Brandon
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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I am glad they are trying this in NY first
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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How much will a load of "bootleg" firewood cost Scuba ? What if the revenuers see that tiny stream of smoke in the sky, lol ? Another reason the Dems are for this, for the most part the firewood business is, “bootleg ,” now. It is almost all a cash business and that’s why gov. wants to crack down on it.
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Converting fossil fuels to heat energy is pretty efficient. 80 to 95% . Converting fossil fuels to electricity wastes the heat and then the electricity gets converted back to heat at a house. A system that would be lucky to be 40% efficient. New York has expensive electricity. How does this make any sense, economically, efficient use of resources, or lowering any CO2 emissions?
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Converting fossil fuels to heat energy is pretty efficient. 80 to 95% . Converting fossil fuels to electricity wastes the heat and then the electricity gets converted back to heat at a house. A system that would be lucky to be 40% efficient. New York has expensive electricity. How does this make any sense, economically, efficient use of resources, or lowering any CO2 emissions?
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Add wood chips to your comment and you are also correct. We had a local wood chip fueled co-gen plant . They made electricity for the grid and sold the excess steam to a paper mill across the street. The co-gen plant went broke. They then moved their wood chip co-gen. operation to Fort Drum, home of the 10th Mtn. division. They now produce electricity and heat for the army base, and they are still in business because the gov. Doesn’t care if it is cost effective or not. On top of that, it takes a heck of a lot of fossil fuel to turn a tree into a wood chip.
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Dirt thats why I said that the apparatchiks that make the rules don't understand the basic numbers or they would pretty quickly spot that their way of thinking is idiotic
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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All electric cars by 2035. Best case scenerio for the whole issue would be free or cheap electricity in future. Worst case scenerio would be bad government having control to shut things down at will. Let's hope best case
Till that day.....
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Has anyone noticed as the more we go green the stranger and stranger our weather is getting ? We had a more normal and predictable climate when we had more supposed pollution. Yep , we need to go back to this .....and I'm not joking
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Re: Think it costs a lot to heat a home, JUST WAIT
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Dirt thats why I said that the apparatchiks that make the rules don't understand the basic numbers or they would pretty quickly spot that their way of thinking is idiotic "NADWORNY: So this is about electrification. And I wonder, why is electrification considered a better alternative to sources like natural gas? UNGER: When we're using fossil fuels in our homes and offices, we're burning fossil fuels. There's no way around it. And fossil fuels release carbon emissions and other pollutants, and we're contributing to climate change. When we electrify, we're pulling power off the grid. The grid has a mixture of sources. We also, by using electricity, can use types of heating, like heat pumps, that are - you know, have multiple folds of efficiency, just the way they work, by moving the heat. So even today in most jurisdictions, electrification is going to reduce carbon emissions. And then looking forward to the targets that we have around the country, that will become, like, a better and better carbon math." Hope this helps!
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