White17
Could you please provide a link to where you found that Battery "Ted Talk".
That is fantastic. It encapsulates everything I try to convey to my greeny aqaiantances who want to go electric yet at the same time are opposed to mining.

Where are the charging units back 200 miles in the woods?

IRS mileage rate is talking about the cost to own a vehicle and this is a simplified rate. 58 cents is the business rate as the lowest rate is 14 cents a mile for charity. If it costs you more per mile you can get a bit more complicated.

My business partner got a new Tesla years ago and I paid for it. It was high end and cost around $120,000. The cost have gone down and you can get a less costly version for what I just paid for my new F150 truck. He also got free charges for life which I do not believe you get anymore. I drove it one weekend (he needed to borrow my truck) and had to park it because I did not want to drive the distance to a charging station. He can charge at home or the shop now.

The car is heavy and goes through tires. He has to drive quit some ways for service and one day it decided to load an upgrade will he was on the road and he had to wait for it to finish to drive.

Not sure of maintenance costs. But you need to be careful with his model/year. Sees stop lights but not signs. Also, has trouble seeing Amish buggies. Relies on the white line to stay on the road. One day he was letting his car drive us and snow covered the white line in spots and it dang near went in the ditch.

The car does kick some butt though. For now I am sticking with gasoline!

I assume you may well be a “granola”? I first heard of this term from my good friend that lives in Ely Mn. He used the term to refer to people that had been moving into the great north for the beauty, but had no clue on how every day people there made their living. Mining, logging, hunting, and fishing were all looked down upon by the new arrivals and they believed because they had moved there that everyone else should change their way of life to make them feel better. He often also mentioned they were fairly east to spot, they all drove Subaru’s with bumper stickers. The mining you seem worried about is paramount to you our part of our nation. No one here is criticizing it, just pointing out the hypocrisy of their stance!

TC1, you have fallen into the same trap as Gary, with a little more nuance.

Because I question and possibly answer some of your questions I become one of “them”. If you want to know the truth I grew up here and my jobs have always been tied to natural resource extraction. Call me what you want but your criticism is unfounded and does not advance your argument.

My point in asking questions about nuclear power and mining is to point out the hypocrisy of this board. We’ve all the sudden become concerned with these issues? And if we are actually pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side, why the hesitation to adopt such technology or worse yet, denigrate those who do adopt it? What horse do you have in their race? Hypocrites, one and all. Myself included.



The answer is easy, the same way you get gasoline “200 miles in the woods”. Bring it with you. Sure, it’s not as easy with an electric vehicle but your argument is a red herring. Nobody is filling up a vehicle out in the boonies.

Sniperb - Will the reimbursement rate be any different if the IRS decides to break out electric vehicles? Do the actual costs to own one differ from an ICE-powered vehicle? I don’t know that anyone has a good, broad answer to that question but cost-to-own (which this board largely ignores) is very different than cost-to-fuel.

College do ya in?

You simply carry a generator back into the woods to charge the EV. Oh, and GASOLINE to run the generator. Wait. What?

When we went to the North Woods of Maine and were aloooooong way from gas, I took extra with me in 5gal jugs.

Millennial.......JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!

When you don't have electrical connection to a utility, pretty much these ideas are DOA.

There ya go........just take an extra 1000# battery.....maybe 2 or 3.

Here is another piece related to the whole subject of electrification. I found it very informative.

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/R-0319-MM.pdf

That's alot of info!
Our Mothers taught us to not carry all the eggs in one basket. Or all the juice in one battery.
I will say EVs actually make sense in the cities where one doesn't have far to go. Just give American people the choice, not mandate it.

The automobile will never replace the horse its just not practical, there is not enough gas and very limited roads, no one to repair the darn things. Automobiles are just a wisp of a trend that will soon be gone and forgotten.

Again, zero substance and no actual argument. Gary, you have added zero to this conversation. Hippie is following you close behind. Could you put some meat on the bone or would you prefer, like some playground bully who can’t hold his own in a fight, to continue lobbing poorly thought insults from the sidelines?

Follow white’s lead on this one. He provides substance and provides actual facts with which to make an argument. It’s that easy. He hasn’t made an argument for or against anyone, just facts. You know, like Colombo. Is he old enough that everyone on here reveres him?

Danvee, no President ever mandated that horses would be eliminated by such and such a date. The present administration has determined nobody can drive anything but EV after 2035 or something stupid like that. Let the people make their own decisions. They can still ride a horsse if they want to. Duh.
Clarkie, keep trying. You're gonna win.

I have a young maintenance fella that bought a Tesla. He can drive the vehicle 250 miles between charges. At a Tesla charging station he pays 4.00. It takes 30 minutes to charge. He also has an adapter that he can charge the vehicle at home. It takes 8 hrs to charge off a 120 volt 15amp outlet. Works for him.

Clark having a discussion on trapperman about things like physics and electrical engineering are kind of a waste of time. Just google it. Even there, watch for the bias.

Cold weather charging

The researchers found that charging times increased significantly when the weather got cold. When an EV battery was charged at 77 degrees, a DCFC charger might charge a battery to 80 percent capacity in 30 minutes. But at 32 degrees, the battery’s state of charge was 36 percent less after the same amount of time.

Cold weather cuts range

In the winter months when temperatures fall below 20 degrees, electric car batteries take a major hit. A study by AAA found that if you use your electric car’s heater while driving in cold temperatures, your range can be temporarily cut by as much as 41 percent.