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Public Library Use Montana #7460735
01/14/22 02:08 PM
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Slick Pan Offline OP
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It has come to my attention through an ad in the Bitterroot Star (local newspaper) that Footloose Montana , an anti-trapping organization has been allowed access and use of the library facilities to promote their own agenda. As a tax payer and citizen of this community I strongly object to this action and ask that this not be allowed to happen. Please help with this if you can:


commissioners@rc.mt.gov

director@bitterrootpubliclibrary.org



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Last edited by Slick Pan; 01/14/22 04:44 PM.
Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460737
01/14/22 02:11 PM
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You also should put the same ad up, except with pro trapping info, along with you or whoever is in that area volunteering time to show people how to get pets out of traps, and explaining why trapping is necessary.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460742
01/14/22 02:18 PM
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I would also be at that meeting, along with a bunch of other trappers! They may not let you say much, but at least you could counter some of the propoganda with truth.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460744
01/14/22 02:20 PM
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Iowa
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Yep. Reach out to your state organization and get some help. You have just as much right to post pro-trapping media as well. As a matter of fact, would also be a great time to get to know your local library if you're not already involved.


Just livin' the dream...and paying full price for it!
Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460752
01/14/22 02:29 PM
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I don't really see anything demonizing trapping in that flyer, but I don't see anything on it supporting trapping either. Now, if you attend the "workshop", be sure to bring some traps and snap them on your hands to show them they don't hurt or cut your fingers off! Give them a real education and swing it towards pro-trapping. Be sure to mention that it's illegal to tamper with legally set traps. I haven't looked into "Footloose Montana"....are they an anti-trapping org in your area?

Last edited by DakotaBoy; 01/14/22 02:30 PM.

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Re: Public Library Use [Re: DakotaBoy] #7460756
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Originally Posted by DakotaBoy
I don't really see anything demonizing trapping in that flyer, but I don't see anything on it supporting trapping either. Now, if you attend the "workshop", be sure to bring some traps and snap them on your hands to show them they don't hurt or cut your fingers off! Give them a real education and swing it towards pro-trapping. Be sure to mention that it's illegal to tamper with legally set traps.

The flyer looks harmless enough, but don't think for a minute these freaks aren't going to go full propaganda at their little meeting.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460758
01/14/22 02:36 PM
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Also be sure to mention the leash laws that pet owners are required to follow.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460761
01/14/22 02:39 PM
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If you attend, be sure you point out that pets on public land generally need to be leashed. I suspect Polly the Airdale who's been in three traps, has an owner that is breaking the law, not the trapper.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460774
01/14/22 02:51 PM
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That's exactly the case, Jack. These people don't even live in the rural, but in suburbs and town. But Montana law applies for leash laws , and there are strict laws for Polly the Airdale in chasing wildlife, killing fawns, and venturing onto rancher's lands and distressing livestock. To the point where a rancher or property owner can "get rid" of the dog without even finding the owner to give warning.

Fish& Game won't hesitate to write up citations for poaching onto the owners who let their Polly's run loose.

Also, good to share, are the fact that coyotes and wuffs will routinely kill dogs they find running loose. Some Coyotes nowadays will even go into yards and take dogs out . Every hound owner in the area I have heard are almost to the point of not running their dogs anymore because of the wuffs who have found them before the owners could catch up.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460782
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I would like to hear how this goes if anyone attends, Please keep us updated.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460785
01/14/22 03:04 PM
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Any chance of getting a CO to attend?

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460787
01/14/22 03:10 PM
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You'd think Polly woulda learned by now


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Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460791
01/14/22 03:14 PM
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Trying to play on your heartstrings by putting a young girl in the photo with Polly

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460815
01/14/22 03:41 PM
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I am generally not a live my life to fight an agenda or promote one. BUT this organization ,FOOTLOOSEMONTANA was developed in Montana to end trapping here. The founder moved here from Colorado to specifically end trapping in Montana. They went as far as getting it on the ballot to do so. Now they have been allowed a seat at the FWP meeting along side our Montana Trappers Association to formulate rules and regulations. Something I strongly disagree with. I have stood with and along side the Montana Trappers Association as we defeated the attempt to outlaw trapping on public land in Montana.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460842
01/14/22 04:35 PM
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Bring lots of videos of unleashed dogs attacking small children.


-Goofy-
Re: Public Library Use [Re: DakotaBoy] #7460902
01/14/22 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DakotaBoy
I don't really see anything demonizing trapping in that flyer, but I don't see anything on it supporting trapping either. Now, if you attend the "workshop", be sure to bring some traps and snap them on your hands to show them they don't hurt or cut your fingers off! Give them a real education and swing it towards pro-trapping. Be sure to mention that it's illegal to tamper with legally set traps. I haven't looked into "Footloose Montana"....are they an anti-trapping org in your area?

I disagree with that. “Traps are indiscriminate” and “traps can be almost anywhere” are false statements meant to make the traps out to be a boogeyman hiding everywhere.

Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460914
01/14/22 06:23 PM
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The wording is enough to show you what direction this leans


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Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460927
01/14/22 06:42 PM
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Took my German Shepherd down to the local creek a week or two ago... He had his harness on and was leashed the entire time. My wife asked why I didn't let him run and frolic on his own. I told her a free-running dog is a risk to itself and others and that it was also trapping season.

I didn't really expect to come across any traps.However it's MY RESPONSIBILITY to take care of MY dog. I don't understand why people can't get that through their heads.

Mike


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Re: Public Library Use [Re: Slick Pan] #7460939
01/14/22 06:49 PM
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Alaska Trappers Association puts on "Shared Trails" presentations that cover many of the same How-tos as the anti ad...without the drama. We tell them this is an informational event not a debate. Many folks who attend are more or less neutral, if perhaps concerned. After learning how to release various traps and snares during the 'hands on' segment many seem confident that they could handle a situation in the field.
Here is a video excerpt of a longer video ATA usually plays at presentations.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk242jZwEAQ

Lately our Fish and Game (ADFG) has been doing some of the same thing:

The Alaska-Yukon North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADFG) and the City of Soldotna are proud to offer outdoor enthusiasts a free opportunity to learn about trapping and dog safety. Please see the attached flier with details. Please forward to members of your organization as this might be of interest to them. We are looking forward to this opportunity and seeing folks there! For questions about the event, call Chapter President Ken Gates at 907-953-9709.

When: January 29, 2022, 9 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.
Where: Soldotna Regional Sports Complex
Who: ADFG Biologists Rob Massengill and Nick Fowler (with 60 years combined trapping experience)

Free Trapping and Dog Safety Seminar

Link to flyer. https://drive.google.com/file/d/16tBVMjDVSwFJTQiji8lFHnmPSypO_RBr/view

We have found it good to be proactive!


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Re: Public Library Use [Re: DakotaBoy] #7460949
01/14/22 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DakotaBoy


bring some traps and snap them on your hands



Great point and a very good graphic for non trappers. I've done it myself many times starting in high school for an English class. BUT dont let them take any pictures because they will use it out of context to scare people!


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