Re: Stucco
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Dryvit 3 coat synthetic plaster over foam for insulation. Used on commercial buildings here in the interior!
I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: Stucco
[Re: Eyehi]
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01/14/22 09:29 PM
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Your talking about something different than what’s used here. We are working on Ft. Wainwright doing core drilling. It takes 5 minutes to drill through it. Far from being fragile.
It’s been used here for over 30 years and I have never seen any removed other than for a remodel job tie in!
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I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 09:35 PM
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ever thought of cedar shake ? 50+ years and no stain , paint or other , nice big eves and let it turn dark
I hated painting the house as a kid my current house has well faded aluminum siding but it keeps the weather out so it can stay forever I would rather live in a silver house than waste another summer scraping and painting.
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 09:47 PM
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Your talking about something different than what’s used here. We are working on Ft. Wainwright doing core drilling. It takes 5 minutes to drill through it. Far from being fragile.
It’s been used here for over 30 years and I have never seen any removed other than for a remodel job tie in! Maybe, but I was running framing crews in the 90s and could have run as many crews tearing off the Styrofoam fake stuff. I'm told it was because everyone and their cross-eyed brother was slapping it on. Maybe so but in our humidity any crack or crevice is invitation to rot. I don't see it being installed on much new construction anymore and what I do is on commercial steel.
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 09:55 PM
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Real concrete stucco or gunite (concrete spray on). 25 years as a hod carrier in the AFL-CIO building and trades. Been useing it in steel mills and 100 ft blast furnace smoke stack for a long time. Like to see any bird peck through that. At Eli-Lilly went through a dozen 30 lb air hammer bits a day to repair 1 sq. Yard. Built many schools, library's, jails, court houses, useing concrete stucco. Case.
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 10:13 PM
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Warrior, I think you guys are mixing up different products when gunite came out others soon copied the process but the original gunite corp. was very protective of their patents and others soon changed some of the ingredients and or processes to look like the same thing, the spray on fire retardants are the same situation, all look alike to a layman but very different in nature. Unless you are a building materials engineer it is almost impossible to tell the difference visually. With most respect my 2 cents. Case
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 11:04 PM
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Warrior, I think you guys are mixing up different products when gunite came out others soon copied the process but the original gunite corp. was very protective of their patents and others soon changed some of the ingredients and or processes to look like the same thing, the spray on fire retardants are the same situation, all look alike to a layman but very different in nature. Unless you are a building materials engineer it is almost impossible to tell the difference visually. With most respect my 2 cents. Case Gunnite, if I'm thinking of the right product, is a blown on air entrained concrete product. What I'm talking about, known as dryvit down here, is 1/2"-3/4" sheet styrofoam sheathing taped with fiberglass mesh tape with a synthetic polymer grout like skim coat of about a 1/16". No portland at all in it. True stucco, wire lath and mortar, was common on the coast and in Florida, often over cinder block. That stuff is impermeable and excellent thermal mass insulation in southern heat. That styrofoam stuff has to be perfectly sealed as any moisture behind it has nowhere to go. Being styrofoam a perfect seal is impossible to maintain.
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 11:18 PM
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It's also quite fragile. Almost poke your finger through fragile. And birds love it, almost every dryvit chimney chase around here has at least one woodpecker hole in it. And you won't be putting a ladder against it to fix it either. Your talking about something different than what’s used here. We are working on Ft. Wainwright doing core drilling. It takes 5 minutes to drill through it. Far from being fragile.
It’s been used here for over 30 years and I have never seen any removed other than for a remodel job tie in! I used to be certified to install Dryvit, even had the shirts with the penguin logo. Installed correctly it is very tough stuff. Install Panzer mesh in the base coat and you will have a tough time denting it even if you wail on it with a hammer. Most of the problems in the nineties were caused by poor installation procedures by non-certified installers, especially improper installation or lack of drainage mats behind the foam. There are other EIF systems out there but Dryvit was one of the better ones, still is.
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Re: Stucco
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01/14/22 11:41 PM
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It is fragile IF it's not installed correctly. If water gets in, the scratch coat tends to deteriorate from behind the finish coat. It has a hard time of drying out so it crumbles. From base to finish coat on home's you get about 1" thickness depending on the installer. Usually the base coat is half inch thick alone. Homes buildings mail boxes walls and much more are all coated here. Depending on height if wall they may install a "drip edge". I've seen a lot of people put it directly on top of siding like. Felt paper chicken wire thin base coat thin scratch thin finish. This is a cheap way but it will fail especially if the siding was already jeopardized. It's a labor intensive process with great results IF done right. First time doing stucoo I was 10 stuccoed are backyard wall 75' x 6'6". Before that I would help my dad make the mud fill the buckets cut the leathe chicken wire etc... Baseball to stucoo will make a hole. Ask me how I know
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Re: Stucco
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01/15/22 12:30 AM
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Yep you nailed gunite, and I remember stucco on block in Fla. that's where we went when we were laid off in winter. Work a week go get drunk. Till spring thaw back home. We saw and were mixed up in a corporate war here re: the blow on products, nobody knew who would do the work, carpenters, hodcarriers, cement finishers, brick layers, and at the same time the differing companies were in the courts arguing about patent rights each putting out bids on jobs based on cost of time and material. All of that above my pay grade. They must have got it figured out, I know the next year I put up the tallest scaffold that county ever had 103 ft. Tube scaffold carpenters did the work and gunite was used. That was Archer Daniel Millons, Then Ely-Lilly wanted to use it as fire proofing on the red iron on the inside and a minority co. bid on the job way lower than the gunite co. They couldn't figure out how they were underbid. Find out later other co. used pearlite in the mix. Soon comes styrofoam, then glass fiber, next I guess old lady underwear. Eventually everybody had their own patent products that leveled the playing field for prime contractors but left the owners of the finished product. (The building) in total darkness. Now fellows like us here are arguing bout what is witch.
About your styrofoam sheathing here it is 1 to 2 inches thick and is used as an insulation layer between blocks and the face brick, we call it ol'blue or ol'pink depending on manufacturer if anyone put anything on it as a finnish coat outdoors they would be .......... well it wouldn't be good. Quite frankly I can't imagine it used in any exterior application likely because of our extreme differences in climate, yours and mine. Your Dryvit may have some applications down there as a cost saving measure but i can't see it used as a real building material for any realistic use. Just my opinion others are free to have their own.
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Re: Stucco
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01/15/22 12:45 AM
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It's also quite fragile. Almost poke your finger through fragile. And birds love it, almost every dryvit chimney chase around here has at least one woodpecker hole in it. And you won't be putting a ladder against it to fix it either. Your talking about something different than what’s used here. We are working on Ft. Wainwright doing core drilling. It takes 5 minutes to drill through it. Far from being fragile.
It’s been used here for over 30 years and I have never seen any removed other than for a remodel job tie in! I used to be certified to install Dryvit, even had the shirts with the penguin logo. Installed correctly it is very tough stuff. Install Panzer mesh in the base coat and you will have a tough time denting it even if you wail on it with a hammer. Most of the problems in the nineties were caused by poor installation procedures by non-certified installers, especially improper installation or lack of drainage mats behind the foam. There are other EIF systems out there but Dryvit was one of the better ones, still is. Sir. Would you please tell me what an EIFSystem is? And maybe Panzer mesh. As to certified is that to ANSI specs? You should know, after all you have the t-shirt? And of course please google ANSI. Thanks Case
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Re: Stucco
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01/15/22 03:08 AM
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Adam Please take a reading comprehension course.
I'm done.
Second post. Before hitting post relply I decided to reread the entire post, maybe you did not see I was a hod carrier for 25 yrs. do you have any clue how many mortar boards, stucco hods I filled in those years. Do you even know what a hod is? You think that you can teach me something. You by your own words say "I have always seen" you don't have a clue what "mud" is, ask any bricky, or mason they will tell you the best mud they ever had was no good. JESUS HELP ME, you people pixx me off.
First post. Not sure about your posting, here Indiana, stucco is used only indoor depending who the customer is. Most govt.agencies/entities use Portland, fine sand also known locally as sugar sand, and bagged lime. But we have one, the major user in our area of many, many , many, Millions of dollars each year, that requires slaked lime. All others but this one can be mixed by common two or three bag mixers. Really don't have a clue about robbing water from cement, due to the fact that once mixed water and cement create a chemical bond and reaction enabling concrete to harden underwater if needed it cannot be separated on a molecular level. Any and all chemical reactions create heat. Added to your ambient temps may be the cause of your consternation. Hear we add calcium in winter to keep concrete from freezing but that's about the end of my knowledge. If you can help me in any way I am a sponge and constantly in search of things.
I can't argue with you people anymore. I'm done
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Re: Stucco
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01/15/22 08:08 AM
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SOMEBODY NEEDS A NAP!!! MAN!!!!! Leave it to a bunch of trappers to turn a question about exterior house coating into a whizzin' contest!! I've always known the exterior stuff to be referred to as stucco............interior stuff referred to as texturing. The exterior stuff is very low-maintenance when applied properly and lasts for many years. I guess its a regional thing as to whether stucco is exterior or interior.
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Re: Stucco
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01/15/22 08:16 AM
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EIF......Exterior Insulation Finishing system. I wasn't aware of the term either. Had to google it myself. Im not sure what stucoo is.............
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