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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462766
01/16/22 05:27 PM
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Well as one of the guys that still goes out and attempts to catch a decent numbers of coon I guess I'll speak my peace.

The demand isn't there like it use to be, with politics, covid in China, etc. Ya there are a few larger buyers with orders. But overall china's lock down is really hurting it. Even if we had yearly harvest of 1 million coon, it's far below what was produces not all that many years ago. Nafa shutting down hurt things alot. Although alot of fur never saw the auction house it was a place where markets could be set, within reason.

Its to bad that money seems to be the only reason many people trap, I live to trap, and will do it until I can't anymore, or it becomes illegal, which with everybody dropping out of the game, and we have fewer and fewer people getting into the sport, may not be very long from now. I get it that people want compensated foe their work, but does anybody just love being outdoors and trapping anymore? I know I do, and I've put forth alot of work in the off-season to make sure that I will definitely come out in the black once all my markets have been capitalized on.

Whether we trap 10 animals, 50, or 2000 furs a year, If we give it up and don't take the time to teach the sport to ANYBODY that shows interest, we are doomed.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462806
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For those of you talking "Hold the line, don't sell cheap" Tell the fur buyer what you want, and watch him laugh. The reason the price is so low and grade is so tight is because there is no demand. When big buyers says they don't want coon it means there is no demand. Demand will not go up raising the price, even if you could.


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462885
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Where will demand come from? Serious question.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462891
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Are the people buying it doing it cause they love to buy? You can trap without putting your catch into an already backed up pipeline.


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: mnsota] #7462909
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Originally Posted by mnsota
Where will demand come from? Serious question.


Well when the antis crushed the market in the late 80s. Some creative folks with interest in fur started to introduce it to emerging markets of Asia. Unfortunately that ship has sailed

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462929
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Well when the antis crushed the market in the late 80s. Some creative folks with interest in fur started to introduce it to emerging markets of Asia. Unfortunately that ship has sailed



Hence my question,although I don't think that market has as the Chinese may say (disappeared). Considering events and happenings these past year (years). Global draw downs in economy,..have but one way to recover. My hope anyway.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462945
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Not sure how much the market changed just the marketing

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462978
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That's true,..but that rings advantageous to those that,..will very much gain from an opportunity. Who are we marketing to? We need a broader market!
Me thinks we are hampered .,...I 'don't know how how to resolve that.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7462994
01/16/22 09:24 PM
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In 2013 31 rubles would buy dollar. In 2015 till now 60 to 80 rubles will buy a dollar. Their economy has been poor since the sanctions. They have no money and the price of hats more than doubled.


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: claycreech] #7463322
01/17/22 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by claycreech
There is NOT a demand!!
Most of us remember when there was a demand. The tiny dab of coon that are being harvested and actually entering the fur market is such a tiny amount compared to when there was ďdemandĒ. 10 years ago this season I knew of 10,000 coon caught in the county that I live. Thatís just the guys that I knew. Certainly there were more. I guarantee that there wonít be 200 coon enter the fur market from the same county.
When many buyers/dealers advertise that they donít want coon, thereís no demand.
Iím normally an optimist, but itís getting harder and harder to be optimistic about the wild fur market.

No demand? So Trevor Barnes is driving from Michigan to your place in Northern Missouri in early March to have some beans and shoot the sh$$?

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: IowaTrapper] #7463334
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Originally Posted by IowaTrapper
Well as one of the guys that still goes out and attempts to catch a decent numbers of coon I guess I'll speak my peace.

The demand isn't there like it use to be, with politics, covid in China, etc. Ya there are a few larger buyers with orders. But overall china's lock down is really hurting it. Even if we had yearly harvest of 1 million coon, it's far below what was produces not all that many years ago. Nafa shutting down hurt things alot. Although alot of fur never saw the auction house it was a place where markets could be set, within reason.

Its to bad that money seems to be the only reason many people trap, I live to trap, and will do it until I can't anymore, or it becomes illegal, which with everybody dropping out of the game, and we have fewer and fewer people getting into the sport, may not be very long from now. I get it that people want compensated foe their work, but does anybody just love being outdoors and trapping anymore? I know I do, and I've put forth alot of work in the off-season to make sure that I will definitely come out in the black once all my markets have been capitalized on.

Whether we trap 10 animals, 50, or 2000 furs a year, If we give it up and don't take the time to teach the sport to ANYBODY that shows interest, we are doomed.

You need to start thinking a different way. Your 3rd paragraph is exactly why we're doomed. If you're unaware, this sport/hobby that you live to do, is a business on the other end. And it's slowly going away.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7463352
01/17/22 09:13 AM
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Iowa coon bringing what Alabama coon have brought since the '90's. Means an Alabama coon might bring .50 cents.

Russia use to be the main buyer of coon for jackets/work coats. Doubt our relation's with them is going to get better anytime soon.


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: kinley31] #7463359
01/17/22 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kinley31
Originally Posted by IowaTrapper
Well as one of the guys that still goes out and attempts to catch a decent numbers of coon I guess I'll speak my peace.

The demand isn't there like it use to be, with politics, covid in China, etc. Ya there are a few larger buyers with orders. But overall china's lock down is really hurting it. Even if we had yearly harvest of 1 million coon, it's far below what was produces not all that many years ago. Nafa shutting down hurt things alot. Although alot of fur never saw the auction house it was a place where markets could be set, within reason.

Its to bad that money seems to be the only reason many people trap, I live to trap, and will do it until I can't anymore, or it becomes illegal, which with everybody dropping out of the game, and we have fewer and fewer people getting into the sport, may not be very long from now. I get it that people want compensated foe their work, but does anybody just love being outdoors and trapping anymore? I know I do, and I've put forth alot of work in the off-season to make sure that I will definitely come out in the black once all my markets have been capitalized on.

Whether we trap 10 animals, 50, or 2000 furs a year, If we give it up and don't take the time to teach the sport to ANYBODY that shows interest, we are doomed.

You need to start thinking a different way. Your 3rd paragraph is exactly why we're doomed. If you're unaware, this sport/hobby that you live to do, is a business on the other end. And it's slowly going away.

Agree


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7463365
01/17/22 09:25 AM
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Love trapping and being outdoors but also love other things outdoors and spending time in other ways. Once you lay out a trapline your married to it and giving up a bunch of other endeavors and things you enjoy. Also Im not able to just pitch a coyote or coon in the landfill unless its sick or totally worthless fur wise. Running a trapline is not like going elk hunting for a week as far as expenses you are constantly filling a gas tank and putting a lot of wear and tear on a vehicle. Last but sure not least its hard on you physically. Not sure about your traplines back east but out hear put 100 plus miles in on 4 wheel drive roads, get stuck once or twice a year. Pack gear up hills and snow then get home and put up fur till late hours and do it again the next day. Lots of other things I enjoy that does not take its toll in money, time and on my body.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: MJM] #7463383
01/17/22 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MJM
For those of you talking "Hold the line, don't sell cheap" Tell the fur buyer what you want, and watch him laugh. The reason the price is so low and grade is so tight is because there is no demand. When big buyers says they don't want coon it means there is no demand. Demand will not go up raising the price, even if you could.


I don't think anybody here is suggesting" holding the line don't sell cheap" I think what they are saying is find out before the season from the furbuyer what he will be paying and if he tells you some ridiculously low price, you laugh in his face or on the phone and go find something more productive to do. At least that's what I do.

The fur industry does not interest me, unless I'm earning a living. I also believe in the law of supply.

P.S. I agree with kinley31. You are doomed.


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: MJM] #7463542
01/17/22 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
For those of you talking "Hold the line, don't sell cheap" Tell the fur buyer what you want, and watch him laugh. The reason the price is so low and grade is so tight is because there is no demand. When big buyers says they don't want coon it means there is no demand. Demand will not go up raising the price, even if you could.

When the day comes that you click on Groenewold's website, and they are running ZERO routes, in ZERO states and only buying at their Illinois facility, then I'll believe there's no demand.

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7463603
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Kinley31, just curious, where is the demand ? Do you suppose itís just small specialty markets in the USA ? Or are you suggesting that a lot of fur is being sold over seas that we donít know about ? Do you think itís clothing or craft market?

Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7463609
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Ever heard of the concept of "speculation?"


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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: Kong] #7463649
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Originally Posted by Kong
Kinley31, just curious, where is the demand ? Do you suppose itís just small specialty markets in the USA ? Or are you suggesting that a lot of fur is being sold over seas that we donít know about ? Do you think itís clothing or craft market?

Those are great questions Kong.

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Re: Iowa Trappers Association Auction Results [Re: ~ADC~] #7463660
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Yes , I have heard of speculation. Iím thinking that there could be some of that, but, again it takes energy at a high price to keep these hides.

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