Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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If I set on moving water in a choke point there is a good chance I will catch a snapping turtle. I have caught quite a few in bank holes through the ice too. I think they head to the bank holes for air while under the ice. If I set half a dozen traps during the summer, a turtle a day or every other day in places.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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Paul, Trapping in NC. I have found that a peeled stick or two does make a set more effective. My observation is that it's just an eye catcher to bring a beaver out of the pond to the bank. And there is nothing better than Backbreaker on a pile of leaves and mud with a peeled stick or two laying where they can be seen.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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KOSOI How many are trying to trap them can also make a big difference as well. Following behind another trapper is usually a game of chess as they become shy of working a lure or bait from a bad experience. They learn real quick and remember forever it seems.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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Looking for some insight on this. What's everyone that's been able to trap the north and south noticed about beaver ? From talking with southern beaver guys who really rack up numbers and northern guys who do the same there really really seems to be a difference. And I guess I'm talking more about the 20% that are more difficult to catch.Just curious what everyone thinks Besides the obvious weather differences and the challenges that come with it (ice, turtles, availability of vegetation), the beaver is the same. If you find them in swamps, north or south, they seem to be the same. If you find them in ponds, north or south, they seem to be the same. The numbers in the south are exponentially higher than the north. I think that factor can lead to a tougher beaver toward the end of a colony. Likely because the rest of the gang is getting schwacked and the higher probability of being exposed to a trap.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/18/22 10:24 AM
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one of our states fur bearer biologists told me of an experiment done with beaver. The sound of running water in a cassette player got them to covering it with mud sticks and rocks, clear up on the bank.
i wish someone would take some of those southern beaver to an enclosure in MN or someplace else "up north" and put them in a habitat pen. see if shorter days induces them to make a feed pile. If it does not, does that mean a food cache is a learned behavior?
How often do you folks in the south where freeze up is usually only a few days, if it happens at all, see a food pile? Untill I read this I didnt think they ever did in the south.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
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one of our states fur bearer biologists told me of an experiment done with beaver. The sound of running water in a cassette player got them to covering it with mud sticks and rocks, clear up on the bank.
i wish someone would take some of those southern beaver to an enclosure in MN or someplace else "up north" and put them in a habitat pen. see if shorter days induces them to make a feed pile. If it does not, does that mean a food cache is a learned behavior?
How often do you folks in the south where freeze up is usually only a few days, if it happens at all, see a food pile? Untill I read this I didnt think they ever did in the south. The only ones I've noticed making food caches here were the beavers NC imported from WI. I believe this was back in the 1960s. The other beavers, which are southern, do not make food caches. It's easy to tell the difference between those WI beavers here and the southern beavers here by the fur quality.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Yukon John]
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01/19/22 01:34 AM
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Open water beaver are a lot easier to trap. Under ice are a lot more work , but more satisfying catches . Then as Boco pointed out the fur is better in the north .
I can see this being true if you're one way or the other, but like here (and I'm sure there too) there is so much of...well, the next 3 days will be frozen, then the next week will be above temps! And the cycle continues, very hard to get a grasp on which way to go here. True , the weather changes often . I know beaver will look for open water , they prefer to swim with their heads out of the water. So as the weather gets warmer , the edges of ponds will open sooner , and and they tend to swim there . That's why IMHO the drown rods were invented . You can run them under the ice where a drown cable or wire on a weight isn't as easy to use .. I know I personally only use drown rods in that situation , because carrying extra weight and supplies never was a favorite of mine .
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/19/22 02:07 AM
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I dont believe there are more beaver in the south than in the north. Canada has 1/4 of all the worlds fresh water and its all home to beavers.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
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beavers in the northern bush can be extremely wary in open water-they are always on alert because they are the main food for wolves during open water.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Southern Vs Northern Beaver trapping
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beavers in the northern bush can be extremely wary in open water-they are always on alert because they are the main food for wolves during open water.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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