Re: quail or chickens
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Quail are generally harder to raise, taste better than chickens IMO, the eggs of course are smaller, and are very good and often in Asian recipes :-)
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Re: quail or chickens
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I wonder if the people saying quail die easy are talking about bobwhites? Corturnix quails are quite easy to raise and have good meat and delicious, though tiny, eggs. If you get chickens for meat you'll want Cornish x
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Re: quail or chickens
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Biggest problem I saw with raising the Courtunix was you have to hatch them in an incubator. Other then that they are very hardy.
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Re: quail or chickens
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I wonder if the people saying quail die easy are talking about bobwhites? Corturnix quails are quite easy to raise and have good meat and delicious, though tiny, eggs. If you get chickens for meat you'll want Cornish x Yep Bob's for me
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Re: quail or chickens
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I think it was Keith that said he has raised a bunch of quail. Maybe he will chime in. They might be harder to raise but I think quail are as good of eating as I ever have.
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Re: quail or chickens
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I would ask this question of KeithC. He's the quail expert on here. I do believe that I have read that quail beat the pants off of chickens for feed to egg ratio gram per gram.
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Re: quail or chickens
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01/24/22 12:22 AM
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I hatch out around 60,000 coturnix quail a year. Coturnix quail are hardy as adults, with no extra heat, slightly below zero, as long as you have around 25 or more in a group. Below 20 they don't lay as well. I've raised a lot of species and breeds of birds. For me, Coturnix quail are the easiest and definitely the most prolific bird. Most Coturnix hens, if given 14 hours or more of light, will lay 300 plus eggs a year. There are roughly 5 Coturnix eggs worth of mass in 1 extra large chicken egg. Coturnix eggs will average around 14 grams. Coturnix mostly start laying at 6 weeks and 2 days of age. The earliest I have Coturnix lay is 5 weeks and 5 days. 20 Coturnix hens will lay enough eggs for a normal family of 4. I feed a 16% protein layer mash at all ages. You get faster and more growth on a higher protein diet, but the hens won't lay as well. You can effectively caponize the males by keeping them in low light, to gain about 2 additional ounces of weight.
Coturnix quail have a better feed conversion rate for eggs than chickens do. Chickens have a better feed conversion rate for meat. Chickens can be free ranged. Coturnix quail must be contained. The eggs taste very similar. Coturnix eggs have about 1% higher protein than chicken eggs. i can completely butcher a quail, if I skin it, in under 2 minutes.
I raise a lot of chickens, but not nearly as many as I do quail. I personally recommend raising some of both. There is much better profit margins on quail and their eggs than on chickens, unless you are raising very high quality show chickens.
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Re: quail or chickens
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Wife asked how long will they lay eggs The hens will lay for at least 2 years. They lay best under 1 year of age. I usually don't keep them for more than 6 or 8 months, but I sell a huge amount of adult quail for pet food and constantly grow out more. Keith
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Re: quail or chickens
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If you live in an area of low competition, close to a major city. You can make very decent money on Coturnix quail.. 210 hens can be kept in 96 square feet and produce 63,000 eggs in 1 year. Quail eggs typically sell for $3.00 a dozen or more. 63,000 eggs is worth $15,750.00 at $3.00 a dozen.
I keep 350 to 400 Coturnix breeder hens most of the year.
I sell live chicks for $2.00 each.
Keith I did some research on Bobwhite quail , and it said there's a disease that chickens get that chickens can live with , but quail die from it at about 2 months of age . Do you know anything about it Keith ? Reason I ask is because some Amish friends tried to raise some that they let chickens hatch . All the quail dies at about 6 weeks or so . They just lay down and look like they're sleeping . They stumble some and lay down and close their eyes , and they're gone .
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Re: quail or chickens
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If you live in an area of low competition, close to a major city. You can make very decent money on Coturnix quail.. 210 hens can be kept in 96 square feet and produce 63,000 eggs in 1 year. Quail eggs typically sell for $3.00 a dozen or more. 63,000 eggs is worth $15,750.00 at $3.00 a dozen.
I keep 350 to 400 Coturnix breeder hens most of the year.
I sell live chicks for $2.00 each.
Keith I did some research on Bobwhite quail , and it said there's a disease that chickens get that chickens can live with , but quail die from it at about 2 months of age . Do you know anything about it Keith ? Reason I ask is because some Amish friends tried to raise some that they let chickens hatch . All the quail dies at about 6 weeks or so . They just lay down and look like they're sleeping . They stumble some and lay down and close their eyes , and they're gone . Bobwhite quail have not been in captivity long and don't have immunity to many common viruses, bacteria and parasites. Coturnix were likely kept before people even started keeping chickens. Most captive Bobwhite are killed by ulcerative enteritis, which is caused by a Clostridium bacteria and Coccidia, a tiny parasite. Both can be treated with sulpha drugs. The best treatment was Di-Methox, but the AVA, who wants a monopoly on selling medicine for animals, paid Congress to make it illegal to get without a prescription. Bacitrin can be added to feed to help with enteritis in bobwhite. Most domestic poultry can carry both Clostridium and Coccidia, with little adverse effects, unless they become stressed. The chickens likely had both in them. Bobwhite are best kept on wire or at least deep clean sand, if outside or deep pine shaving bedding on concrete, if inside. If they did a necropsy on their Bobwhite, the Amish would probably have found a lot of small lesions in the guts. They need to keep Bobwhite away from other poultry in dry pens. Once, I did lose a pen of Bobwhite to poison hemlock, that was in the hay I used. They ate it, fell asleep and died. Poison Hemlock slows the nervous system down, causing the heart and lungs to work progressively slower, until death. Chukar are effected just a little less than bobwhite by enteritis and Coccidia. Hungarian Partridge and Pheasants have much better immune systems. Keith
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Re: quail or chickens
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I’m convinced! I’m getting Quails this Spring! Woot Woot!!
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Re: quail or chickens
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Keith C ,
So if chickens aren't around , quail have a better chance of survival ? To get the Di-Methox, you need a vet to prescribe a prescription .
Well , they really aren't the type to use a vet for quail . I could be wrong , but I don't see them doing it. I told them to ask the people they got the eggs from about it . Seems they raise deer and other game animals also , so they may be able to get the medicated feed for them . I'll see them when the weather breaks , as they don't worry about snow in their driveways , and it's easy to get stuck in them .
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Re: quail or chickens
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Keith C ,
So if chickens aren't around , quail have a better chance of survival ? To get the Di-Methox, you need a vet to prescribe a prescription .
Well , they really aren't the type to use a vet for quail . I could be wrong , but I don't see them doing it. I told them to ask the people they got the eggs from about it . Seems they raise deer and other game animals also , so they may be able to get the medicated feed for them . I'll see them when the weather breaks , as they don't worry about snow in their driveways , and it's easy to get stuck in them . Yes, if your Amish friends can keep other birds, including wild birds, away from the quail, they are less likely to get sick. Dry pens help greatly, especially with Coccidia, which needs moisture to live. Yes, you now need a prescription for Di- Methox. The long name is Sulphamethadioxine. I used to buy cases of 6 1 gallon bottles. Keith
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