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Something to ponder. #7483442
02/03/22 01:07 PM
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This Is the situation.

My buddy wants the coyotes removed from his deer ground. I hung some CRs but most spots had entanglement so couldn't work those areas.
So my know It all buddy thinks we should make some dirt sets. I'm not all that convinced we should do It. The ground Is frozen solid and we have about 5" of crusty snow on the ground. So we proceed to use the splitting maul to chop the beds. I line the bed with wax paper and use the 3 nail system to stabilize the trap. This system really works for keeping the trap solid In the bed. The set was a flat set.
I was out of re bar stakes so I used a earth anchor. Put some poly fill under the pan and covered the set with straw.
First check nothing not even any tracks. That night we got about 2 " of snow nothing the next day. Or for the next 4 days. So yesterday we decided to pull the foot holds. We pulled 3 sets then came to the last set scraped away the snow and there's no trap. There's no quick link and no cable loop sticking out of the ground. And the 3 pins are still there. And all the straw Is still In place. I'm just about positive that nothing could have pulled that anchor.
So I have a an Idea what could have happened but I'm hoping some of you might be able to shed some light on the situation.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483444
02/03/22 01:09 PM
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Stolen?


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483451
02/03/22 01:17 PM
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Darned Sqaches !!!!

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483453
02/03/22 01:19 PM
02/03/22 01:19 PM
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Educated coyote. Or else at your age you forgot to anchor the trap which is probably likely.

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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483457
02/03/22 01:22 PM
02/03/22 01:22 PM
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Did all the preparation but had a brain f… and covered and left. Voice of experience!


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483461
02/03/22 01:25 PM
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Eau Claire Wi
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If cable stake maybe the ferrule was bad.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483466
02/03/22 01:29 PM
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Nope the trap was attached to the anchor. And we had to use the maul to drive the driver and the anchor. I remember not getting the cable all the way In and had to put a chunk of wood on top of it to keep It concealed.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483471
02/03/22 01:33 PM
02/03/22 01:33 PM
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It sounds like you screwed up.

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483473
02/03/22 01:33 PM
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Chew through the cable or the cable wore through on the frozen ground? Cable damaged during staking?

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: k snow] #7483478
02/03/22 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Cable damaged during staking?



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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483484
02/03/22 01:46 PM
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Here's what I think happened.

I'm the the one who came up with the wolf fang anchor. But Instead of having that loop pushed out to attach the cable I just had a hole lazier cut to receive the cable. Then I crush on a stop button on the cable end.
What I think happened Is when driving the anchor through the frozen ground It pushed the stop button off the cable. I won't know until I can dig up that area to see If the spade is still In the ground.
Since there was no catch circle the coyote must have left on the first pull. But I'm not even sure It was a coyote.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483494
02/03/22 01:55 PM
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You said that the you removed the straw cover and trap and the stake were gone and no catch circle, odd!


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: Trap Setter] #7483505
02/03/22 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Here's what I think happened.

I'm the the one who came up with the wolf fang anchor. But Instead of having that loop pushed out to attach the cable I just had a hole lazier cut to receive the cable. Then I crush on a stop button on the cable end.
What I think happened Is when driving the anchor through the frozen ground It pushed the stop button off the cable. I won't know until I can dig up that area to see If the spade is still In the ground.
Since there was no catch circle the coyote must have left on the first pull. But I'm not even sure It was a coyote.

Originally Posted by Trap Setter
If cable stake maybe the ferrule was bad.

That's what I ment. Just didn't know you used a button stop instead of double ferrule. That would be the most likely scenario.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483514
02/03/22 02:09 PM
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The stop pulled off, I think you nailed it. Without the fang, it takes nothing to pull that cable out, thus no circle.Left on the first jerk!


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483529
02/03/22 02:28 PM
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You would think the hay would be messed up a bit. But hard to tell after you dug it out of the snow?

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483539
02/03/22 02:34 PM
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There's a valuable lesson to be learned from this and one that is important to instill in our kids and grand kids. You tried your best and failed miserably, the lesson here is don't try.

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483551
02/03/22 02:43 PM
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Had cable fail me once in the first year I used it. Enough for me. Chain has never failed me yet.

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483556
02/03/22 02:52 PM
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When I stake a foothold I always give the trap a real good pull to make sure its solid before beddint-you must have forgot to do that quality control step.


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Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483562
02/03/22 02:57 PM
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Beav I had that happen before...darn frozen ground!
And Yes sir just be sure of your chain type...diameter of chain links. I had a young trapper call and say he had a missing trap...apparently he used swing set chain and a s hook to attach his cable stake to his trap.
Chain broke...s hook surprising held.

Re: Something to ponder. [Re: The Beav] #7483575
02/03/22 03:15 PM
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Dig it up this spring see if anything is left.

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