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Snowshoes vs x country skis #7498692
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I have heard and read a couple times now that skis are much more efficient at covering snow covered ground than snowshoes. But the only people I’ve seen using cross country skis have been hippies on groomed trails. Can anybody educate me on when and why a guy picks one over the other?

Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498704
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I used skis trapping beaver with my dad back in the 60s. You can cover ground faster with skis but if you are packing lots of beaver its probably better to build a good trail with snowshoes. That way in cold mornings you can usually run the trail without snowshoes.


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498713
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If your in deep soft powder snowshoes work and skis do not. Get a trail packed in with snowshoes and you can scoot right along on skis. Or just regular dense snow. Sharp turns and hills are tricky. An argo with tracks is good when you get old and fat. Lots better than dragging a sled behind you.


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498722
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there was a very good thread on this last year

someone who trapped a lot a few years on both had very good comments

I will go back and see if I can find it


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498740
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ok I searched but didn't find it , now I am wondering if I read it somewhere else.

the short version is

it all depended on snow conditions

the guy as I recall it trapped the same line for 5 years first 2 on skis and next 3 on shoes

breaking trail is harder on skis but if you have a nice trail broken it becomes faster day the next day and day after that, however if you have blowing snow or new snow and your tracks fill in your breaking trail again and lose your glide.

snow shoes made breaking trail easier and it was still easier day 2 and 3 and such but it never got as easy as skis but it also wasn't as hard as breaking trail with skis

where skis get very efficient is when you have a bunch of people going one place or you can take advantage of down hill runs

like the Finnish army and their ski patrols in the winter war each man could take turns breaking trail and once the 2nd or 3rd guy was over it it was very efficient for every one else behind
established trails stayed more efficient

if you have the right snow conditions late winter where the freeze thaw has left a nice hard crust you can glide over it might also be much easier to ski

but if new deep powder every day shoes are the way to go.


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498803
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I prefer the Mechanical snowshoe.
In the deep powder of the boreal forest sometimes you need to go ahead of the mechanical snowshoe with the non mechanical snowshoes to make sure the mechanical snowshoe doesnt get stuck.
I always carry a pair of non mechanical snowshoes on my mechanical snowshoe. [Linked Image]

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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498814
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When I had to I have a pair of outback skis. They are wider but shorter than cross country skis

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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: backroadsarcher] #7498914
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I have been using a scaled base backcountry skiing set up. Wider than cross country skis and much better control in steeper terrain. Breaking trail in powder is much easier than snow shoes or xc skis. I just keep my toes clipped in “walk mode” and able to ski trap all day long comfortably. They run great on groomed trail and hard packed narrow forest service trails as well. Been impressed with the efficiency of these for over snow travel. One of the disadvantages would be a trap line repair(a boots or binding or if i broke a ski tip would be unlikely but difficult to fix miles from the trailhead) [Linked Image]
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498931
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Many years ago the skis were much wider and much longer. I would guess that they would stay on top of snow better than todays cross country skis. My 3xgreat Uncle said they would use skis on their trapline to cover more ground. I’m guessing if the trail was started early and continued being used, it would be a solid trail. If a trail needs to be made in deep snow, I would say the snowshoes are the way to go. I’m not talking about them “snowshoes” the yuppies use on a groomed trail. I’m talking a real pair like Boco’s picture shows. I have a nice pair of Iverson Green Mountains 12x44 for when the snow is deep. I also have a pair of the old military magnesium shoes for the “shallow” snow. I don’t own a pair of skis but my Dad does have my Grandpas old wide and long wood skis. I should wax them up and give them a try.

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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498933
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I thought this was about rabbits!


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: Yukon John] #7498934
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
I thought this was about rabbits!


Did someone say cottontail?

Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498944
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You got me! I guess snowshoes are hares aren't they? crazy


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: Yukon John] #7498948
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
You got me! I guess snowshoes are hares aren't they? crazy


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7498952
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I got a big pair of Trapping snowshoes custom made in Fort Albany-I would break trail all day long in the deepest powder and never tire.
I also have a pair of winter moose hunting snowshoes made in Moose Factory.Smaller than the Albany shoes for quieter slower travel.in heavier bush.
The ones I carry on the snowmachine are just a commercial snowshoe,for checking ahead on the trail or for walking out on the snowmachine trail in case of breakdown.
You would tire very quickly in those shoes if you were travelling all day breaking trail in deep powder.

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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: Boco] #7499306
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Originally Posted by Boco
I prefer the Mechanical snowshoe.
In the deep powder of the boreal forest sometimes you need to go ahead of the mechanical snowshoe with the non mechanical snowshoes to make sure the mechanical snowshoe doesnt get stuck.
I always carry a pair of non mechanical snowshoes on my mechanical snowshoe. [Linked Image]

Good explanation Boco
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7499421
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Boco, can you post a picture of the other 2 pairs of shoes?

Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7499653
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Fort Albany trapping shoes.many hundreds of miles on those.
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Moose Factory hunting shoes-not used much.
[Linked Image]

Traditional Cree snowshoes flex like a spring when you put your weight down and help lift your foot and shoe with each step when you learn the proper technique,why you dont tire on long treks especially with a heavy pack.
Poorly made commercial shoes will tire you out after a relatively short distance..


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: Boco] #7499671
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Originally Posted by Boco
Fort Albany trapping shoes.many hundreds of miles on those.
[Linked Image]

Are shoes made like that still available?

Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7499685
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Awesome Boco


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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis [Re: K9BeavCoon] #7499826
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https://us-store.altaiskis.com/product/hok-skis-with-universal-pivot-bindings-copy/

After reading comments, I looked around and found these. There’s a few reviews of em out there from hunters and woodsmen. They certainly are interesting in concept.

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