Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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Ukraine has been called the "bread basket of Europe" for a long time, and with good reason. As previously mentioned it is one of the most corrupt Countries in the western world. Also, Russian pipelines cross Ukraine to get to European markets. Putin and the oil oligarchs are paying a fortune to Ukraine to use those corridors.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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What is so flipping important in Ukraine? Hunter and joe had their nose in it,,, now Russia is strong arming and possibly takin by force?? Why is it so important as of late??? Center of the Cabal
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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A good place to laundry money. It does have its natural resources and geopolitical aspects but follow the money. Its always about the money and the power that comes with its massive use...
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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The Ukraine is called "the bread basket of Europe"!
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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The only thing that Putin cares about is having enough distance and buffer zone to protect Moscow from hyper sonic missiles or ICBMs. Crimea obviously is a very strategic piece of land in the Black Sea, but that is really it. There is nothing in Ukraine(minus Crimea) that Russia doesn't already have natural resource wise, it's all about the buffer zone.
Very annoying for us to act like it's the worst thing in the world, imagine Mexico was allied with Russia and they were getting Russian Missile Defense systems.....you can BET your bottom dollar we would be invading Mexico to create the buffer, no different here. You should probably read up on what ICBM means. Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle. You'd need to be on another planet to create that buffer zone you speak of.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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Probably some of my relatives! I am half-Ukrainian but that side of our family came to the U.S. in the early 1900's so I have no clue where or who they are.
Moosetrot They probly came over in the 1920s,,when Stalin was starving all the Ukranians to death so he could replace them with "regular" Russians.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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I can understand the idea of wanting a buffer zone but ask yourself this question.
If Putin wants a buffer, why is he moving to share a border with Poland.......a NATO country ??? He already shares a border with the Baltic nations........also NATO countries.
He wants to save 2 billion a year that he is currently paying Ukraine for pipeline access.
But the real big one is that he can't afford to have Ukraine join the EU and prosper under capitalism. Putin doesn't want more examples of people achieving economic and political sovereignty.
East Germany is a perfect example of what he can't afford to let happen again.
As far as Europe needing to embrace more "green energy"............that is exactly the wrong thing to do. That is why they are now dependent on Russia for 40% of their energy needs.
The Euroweenies need to permit fracking and provide their own natural gas.........it's there for the taking !
Yep, money. The NATO excuse is being bought by many it appears tho. Like I posted on another thread, with today's weaponry we could hit Moscow from here if we wanted and visa-versa.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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I can understand the idea of wanting a buffer zone but ask yourself this question.
If Putin wants a buffer, why is he moving to share a border with Poland.......a NATO country ??? He already shares a border with the Baltic nations........also NATO countries.
He wants to save 2 billion a year that he is currently paying Ukraine for pipeline access.
But the real big one is that he can't afford to have Ukraine join the EU and prosper under capitalism. Putin doesn't want more examples of people achieving economic and political sovereignty.
East Germany is a perfect example of what he can't afford to let happen again.
As far as Europe needing to embrace more "green energy"............that is exactly the wrong thing to do. That is why they are now dependent on Russia for 40% of their energy needs.
The Euroweenies need to permit fracking and provide their own natural gas.........it's there for the taking !
Yep, money. The NATO excuse is being bought by many it appears tho. Like I posted on another thread, with today's weaponry we could hit Moscow from here if we wanted and visa-versa. Pretty sure we have ways of shooting down ICBMs. Look at the Iron Dome.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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We could stop it The first one anyhow. If a nuke blew up in the atmosphere its possible to produce a emp
There i said it....
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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One of the leading grain exporters in the world. I would say that makes them attractive. It would affect our food supply & prices. The current administration literally wants that & high inflation. Everyone read between the lines and dig deeper & you'll see. There's a bad agenda going on. It includes other things also. Do ya miss Trump yet?
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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You should probably read up on what ICBM means.
Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle. You'd need to be on another planet to create that buffer zone you speak of.
You are correct, I shouldn't have used ICBM for the reason you stated but I was talking about short range ballistic missiles and long range ballistic missiles. @White17 Russia already shares a border with Poland and traditionally always has. The smaller Baltic states sure they are part of NATO, but you have to look at where the majority of Russian usage of their country takes place. It's not just one reason or the other, but a handful of reasons combined to make a scary powder keg situation.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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The U.S. is the the number 3 exporter of wheat. More than Ukraine. Probably will not starve in the U.S.
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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Interesting BUT has anyone heard the other countries snortin and rootin over this or is it just the biden regime trying to get his last 23 crisis off his back
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Re: What exactly is in Ukraine?
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You should probably read up on what ICBM means.
Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle. You'd need to be on another planet to create that buffer zone you speak of.
You are correct, I shouldn't have used ICBM for the reason you stated but I was talking about short range ballistic missiles and long range ballistic missiles. @White17 Russia already shares a border with Poland and traditionally always has. The smaller Baltic states sure they are part of NATO, but you have to look at where the majority of Russian usage of their country takes place. It's not just one reason or the other, but a handful of reasons combined to make a scary powder keg situation. If you mean Kaliningrad that is hardly a threat. Sort of like saying Delaware borders the Atlantic
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