Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:12 PM
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There are plenty of communist to fight right here at home. If we have to spend our blood and treasure to fight communism we best start here.
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:13 PM
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Pure Communism is when the state owns everything. goods and services are dispensed according to need. Every job pays the same. Everything shared equally.
Of course human greed comes into play. So the government has to control everything. Education, transportation, healthcare, communication etc. Makes sure everybody has what they need.
The people on top are still wealthy. Estates, vehicles, money, expensive vacations and all the things wealthy people everywhere enjoy.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:30 PM
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Stinkypete,
Communism: (a little cutting and pasting)
Communism is a form of government most closely associated with the ideas of Karl Marx, which he outlined in The Communist Manifesto. Communism is based on the goal of eliminating socioeconomic class struggles by creating a classless society in which everyone shares the benefits of labor and the state controls all property and wealth.
Communism; a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
Communism; the Marxist-Leninist doctrine advocating revolution to overthrow the capitalist system and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat that will eventually evolve into a perfectly egalitarian and communal society.
Does this sound anything like modern-day Russia? If you think so, you haven't been paying attention to world events for the past thirty years or so.
Using pejoratives like "you're a communist" is no different than simply calling anyone you don't agree with politically a "Nazi". Those are the kind of tactics the woke crowd uses to shut down rational discussion.
I'm not going to defend Putin's actions in Ukraine, he is a pretty ruthless dictator of sorts who is making a big mistake imo. But he is anything but a "communist".
I can almost guarantee you that as far as free enterprise and capitalism goes, you would now have an easier go of it in Russia than here in the United States. Try starting a new business here in the US and you will find out what I mean.
This isn't still 1976. Reagan won the cold war against the Soviet Union (Communist) by outspending them. Our economic model of free enterprise/capitalism afforded us the ability to do that. The Marxist economic model didn't work and we were simply able to out-compete them economically. This is a very simplistic explanation but it is essentially what caused the collapse of the USSR.
After we won WW2 we went into both Japan and Germany and helped them get back on their feet.
After we won the cold war we turned our backs on Russia and have deliberately tried to alienate them and keep them as an enemy. I wonder why?
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:34 PM
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Stinkypete,
I don't mean to ride you too hard over this, but I have seen a few posts in recent days that lead me to believe that a few folks on here might think that Russia is still a communist Country. It's hard to imagine that kind of thinking, but I don't assume anything anymore.
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:41 PM
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Not Communist? Aren't they arresting Russian citizens for demonstrating against Putin? Kinda like the US arresting peaceful insurrectionists and giving the nod to looters, arsonists, and rioters.
Last edited by Gary Benson; 03/04/22 07:44 PM.
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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McCarthyism
It takes a democracy to over throw a Republic.
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 07:53 PM
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It makes more sense to me to fight for land NOW than it did hundreds and thousands of years ago when there was so much land, and so few people. These days land is becoming scarce. Middle Eastern people like the Taliban have never stopped fighting for control of land and no one thinks a thing about it. Our own Government called them "good people". But Russia does the same thing and everyone loses their mind. Why? Is it just because people "thought better" of Russia and didn't expect them to act in the same manner as so much of the rest of the world?
Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
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Re: Updated Real-time Ukraine War Reports
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03/04/22 08:10 PM
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Did not mean to ignite a powder keg. Just wanted to give some insight. From the people there living it. That’s all. Yikes  I would appreciate that as well.
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