Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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Soviet pilots flew extensively against Americans during the Korean War. Recently, they have some experience over Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria. In fact, a Russian Pilot, pictured with Putin and Assad in Syria, was recently shot down and captured in Ukraine. So their current generations of pilots have some combat experience, but little if any real air to air fighting in those conflicts. You could, however, say the same thing about Americans though. Not much hot air to air since 1st Gulf War. Interesting,thank you for the info
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
[Re: Aaron Proffitt]
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I'm baffled by the lack of use of IED's by the Ukrainians . They were expecting this , they had time to build plant them . And command detonated IED's wreck havoc. I'm surprised we haven't seen it. Give it time. The Russians are about to learn just how deep they're going to have to commit to this. Once the IEDs start being deployed in large numbers you'll see what happens to their plan.
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." Sun Tzu
Have you seen all the videos of "Russian POW's" claiming they were tricked into this fight... That they had no food, That they lacked fuel or ammo?
Might be true. Or it might be what they were briefed to say upon capture. Misinformation that convinces your enemy to believe that he has you on the ropes is right out of "The Art of War"
Send in the JV team first and have them fight just hard enough to keep the thing going... Goad the enemy into forming "lines"... then drop the hammer on them.
If I were the Ukrainians I would be very cautious about being emboldened by perceived success... The worst thing they could do would be to abandon their present tactics in favor of a face to face battle. They should adhere to stick-and-move and look at holding out long term.
The Russians may be genuinely doing poorly... Or they could be performing poorly to trick their enemy into being confident and drawing closer.
Mike I think your spot on here Mike. Anyone who thinks Putin doesn't know what he's doing, or that he's got this all wrong, is fooling themselves. The man is ruthless yes, but he's also very intelligent. Propaganda is nothing new. It's been a part of warfare since the beginning of times.
Dog will hunt!
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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How long did it take too occupie Iraq? Nearly a month???
Totally different country geographically
Not sure why everyone thinks the Russians should take Ukrain in a week Didn't Iraq have the 4th largest army in the world at the time? I remember hearing that but b ever confirmed it. I also probably under estimate the size and terrain of the Ukraine. I'm guessing most Americans do as well.
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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Russia has a has underestimated the will of people who have had a taste of freedom. Even if the Russians defeat the Ukrainian army they wont be able to defeat the will of the people. It will be a war of exhausting attrition for the dictators forces to keep it occupied. Look at past wars it does not work trying to win the hearts and minds when you have killed their families that kind of hate and revenge can go on forever. . I don't think Bad (Mad) Vlad wants to occupy Ukraine, I think he wants concessions from them, such as them being like Finland, basically being neutral and not joining NATO, etc. The western Euro elites are po'd because they lost a nice, "off-grid" place to laundry lots of dirty money, run their various human trafficking rings, and have "interesting" biologic labs. Sniffy's mad because his grift family gets cut off from any other Uke- Hunter-Jim deals, and Prez Barry behind the scenes gets his way of a wider war, something that he and his minions have wanted since 2014. Remember why DJT was impeached the first time in 2019/2020, he wouldn't give the Ukes (Zelinsky phone call) certain "defense" money Meanwhile, the average, common, good Ukrainian suffers because of a fight between two (actually 3 or 4) organized global crime syndicates.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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Russia has a has underestimated the will of people who have had a taste of freedom. Even if the Russians defeat the Ukrainian army they wont be able to defeat the will of the people. It will be a war of exhausting attrition for the dictators forces to keep it occupied. Look at past wars it does not work trying to win the hearts and minds when you have killed their families that kind of hate and revenge can go on forever. . I don't think Bad (Mad) Vlad wants to occupy Ukraine, I think he wants concessions from them, such as them being like Finland, basically being neutral and not joining NATO, etc. The western Euro elites are po'd because they lost a nice, "off-grid" place to laundry lots of dirty money, run their various human trafficking rings, and have "interesting" biologic labs. Sniffy's mad because his grift family gets cut off from any other Uke- Hunter-Jim deals, and Prez Barry behind the scenes gets his way of a wider war, something that he and his minions have wanted since 2014. Remember why DJT was impeached the first time in 2019/2020, he wouldn't give the Ukes (Zelinsky phone call) certain "defense" money Meanwhile, the average, common, good Ukrainian suffers because of a fight between two (actually 3 or 4) organized global crime syndicates. Lots of truth in this.
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
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How long did it take too occupie Iraq? Nearly a month???
Totally different country geographically
Not sure why everyone thinks the Russians should take Ukrain in a week Instant Gratification.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: More Incompetant: Russian AF or Army?
[Re: NonPCfed]
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Russia has a has underestimated the will of people who have had a taste of freedom. Even if the Russians defeat the Ukrainian army they wont be able to defeat the will of the people. It will be a war of exhausting attrition for the dictators forces to keep it occupied. Look at past wars it does not work trying to win the hearts and minds when you have killed their families that kind of hate and revenge can go on forever. . I don't think Bad (Mad) Vlad wants to occupy Ukraine, I think he wants concessions from them, such as them being like Finland, basically being neutral and not joining NATO, etc. The western Euro elites are po'd because they lost a nice, "off-grid" place to laundry lots of dirty money, run their various human trafficking rings, and have "interesting" biologic labs. Sniffy's mad because his grift family gets cut off from any other Uke- Hunter-Jim deals, and Prez Barry behind the scenes gets his way of a wider war, something that he and his minions have wanted since 2014. Remember why DJT was impeached the first time in 2019/2020, he wouldn't give the Ukes (Zelinsky phone call) certain "defense" money Meanwhile, the average, common, good Ukrainian suffers because of a fight between two (actually 3 or 4) organized global crime syndicates. Absolutely !!
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