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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524305
03/10/22 10:43 PM
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Sorry General Diggerman, I guess you got things figured out and got your finger pinched in a trap today. Since you got it all figured out why don't you just let us know what is going to happen with the Ukraine situation I guess you have all the info and intelligence on the situation.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: danvee] #7524346
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Originally Posted by danvee
Sorry General Diggerman, I guess you got things figured out and got your finger pinched in a trap today. Since you got it all figured out why don't you just let us know what is going to happen with the Ukraine situation I guess you have all the info and intelligence on the situation.

I am just suprised that after 12 or so days you have not heard the main reason Putin invaded Ukraine. I'm not sure if you heard this also but, Ukraine is NOT a democracy. Stay tuned for more.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Diggerman] #7524350
03/10/22 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by lots of mink
Half the Russian soldiers have world war 2 style tin helmets and the ones that got food are eating rations seven years out of date.

Putin really underestimated the Ukrainian people and army. Thank god for Zelenski and the Ukraine resolve to live free. Sure beats the heck out of what we seen in Afghanistan.

Where do you people get this info? seriously, Where? Do you possibly check or verify . I could understand if you lived in Poland, but Saskatoon?



I get my news from many sources and have been following the fighting everyday. Mainstream media has some of the news although slanted and skewed. The best source of info has been an American veteran putting up utube videos out of Texas. He has the best maps of the war and updates two or three times a day showing huge amounts of battlefield footage. This guy literally is calling the play as offensives and counteroffensives are happening.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524357
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Why does a guy in Sask have to get his war news from a guy in Texas about a "war" or as I like to call it , an "incursion" in western europe? Honest question.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524394
03/10/22 11:55 PM
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Why does a guy in Sask have to get his war news from a guy in Texas about a "war" or as I like to call it , an "incursion" in western europe? Honest question.


Because he found a guy that can do play-by-play action of the war. Isn't that almost as good as having your finger on a Reaper's "fire" button? I heard Prez Barry had a liking for Predator and Reaper action. Poof, "bad guy" gone!


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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524396
03/10/22 11:56 PM
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An alternative to MAD has been discussed and debated since the USSR broke up. It's sometimes called Escalate to De-Escalate. I read about it years ago in reference to the Baltics, and it is currently debated by armchair quarterbacks within the current situation. The short version is, Russia invaded Baltic states under pretext, got bogged down, NATO mobilized and started to roll in hard on Russia. Russia detonates a small nuke in a Baltic state, and asks the US, "wanna hit pause"? It's a very grim prospect, but seems quite possible now. May God bless us all.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: danvee] #7524403
03/11/22 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
During the Bay of Pigs, Russia made us believe that they had nuclear missiles that would reach North America from their bases in central Russia. We found out that was not true by way of one of their agents that defected. This was why they wanted nucs in Cuba. Kennedy called their bluff with that info and did a great job of keeping them out our back door. My thinking that is why Putin does not want Ukraine armed and militarized in his back yard and especially not being part of NATO.


The Russians parked nukes in Cuba because WE parked nukes in Turkey.

Part of the agreement Kennedy made with Khrushchev was that we would dismantle the nukes in Turkey and they would dismantle the nukes in Cuba.

The narrative is that Kennedy made Russia blink... Maybe so. But we also kept our end of the bargain pretty doggone quiet so we could crow about making them blink.

This is all ancient, verifiable info.

Mike


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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524426
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I've heard it said that during WWII the fact that Japan was aware so many US citizens owned guns was a major deterrent against them planning a mainland invasion.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524427
03/11/22 12:36 AM
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danvee. .... you may want to start by listening to the speech K. Harris gave over in that neck of the woods explaining to the powers that be or want to be that Ukraine is a country and Russia is a bigger country and......... Ill stop here as i don't ant to spoil it for you grin But for folks like you it will be a real eye opener


Let's go Brandon

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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524461
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I've heard it said that during WWII the fact that Japan was aware so many US citizens owned guns was a major deterrent against them planning a mainland invasion.


Yeah, that's a nice little saying that goes around but in reality the Japanese couldn't have invaded the mainland USA if they wanted to do, simply not the logistical ability. They could barely keep their small army on Guadalcanal going by early 1943 and that was from a nearby by big base. Besides, unless they took out every American sub base on the West Coast at almost the same time, the subs would have bled them white over time. By early 1945, almost nothing was entering or leaving Japan by ship, that was how tight of noose the American subs had on those islands...

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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524468
03/11/22 01:36 AM
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Well, unless you count the fact that Japan actually DID occupy the United States, in Alaska.


Made it almost 3 years without censor!

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Scuba1] #7524470
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
danvee. .... you may want to start by listening to the speech K. Harris gave over in that neck of the woods explaining to the powers that be or want to be that Ukraine is a country and Russia is a bigger country and......... Ill stop here as i don't ant to spoil it for you grin But for folks like you it will be a real eye opener



She Just did it again in Warsaw while answering, while trying to answer questions that is, alongside the polish president. I'm sure he was very impressed with her, especially when she was stumped and started her kackling laugh when there was nothing funny to be laughing about.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Scuba1] #7524476
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
danvee. .... you may want to start by listening to the speech K. Harris gave over in that neck of the woods explaining to the powers that be or want to be that Ukraine is a country and Russia is a bigger country and......... Ill stop here as i don't ant to spoil it for you grin But for folks like you it will be a real eye opener


I heard that speech. In front of the whole world and all those European heads of state and her giggling like a ninny.
I was embarrassed for her. I was embarrassed for me just listening to it.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Diggerman] #7524489
03/11/22 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Why does a guy in Sask have to get his war news from a guy in Texas about a "war" or as I like to call it , an "incursion" in western europe? Honest question.



The town in live in in saskatchewan is 80 percent Ukrainians some right from the Ukraine and others third generation settled here since 1920.

So what’s your point?

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524492
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Originally Posted by martyd
Ukraine War has showed a couple things I think …..
1…. American citizens are so well armed I don’t think
China or Russian would ever jump on us on American soil
With ground warfare. I hope that all of anti gun people are
looking closely how this war is going. I think if Russia or China
Did start a war with USA it would go Nuke right off the bat.
They would try to put the fear of a lot nukes like we did with
Japan , drop 2 big bombs on us and we would fold. Also I think
Nukes Would be dropped on high population areas. They would stay
away From dropping nukes on Farm land. They need our grain.
Thank god America has the 2nd amendment. Just wonder if the
16-30 year old men would defend volunteer to fight with the military.

2…….I don’t think Russian military are as strong and organized as
we have thought the last 70 years. They are having a hard time with
This ground war.



1... I dont think Putin is dumb enough to launch a nuke into Europe anywhere the fallout would likely fall over Russia as well depending on winds.

2.... Putins army is green now not many have battle experience or the heart to invade another country while hungry and cold.

3... Not mentioned is the fact that Ukraine had a pack with Russia not to become a NATO member and they secretly crossed that line.

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Boco] #7524538
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Originally Posted by Boco
You Russian "sympathisers" need to read what George Patton knew of the Russians.

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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: martyd] #7524579
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.. I dont think Putin is dumb enough to launch a nuke into Europe anywhere the fallout would likely fall over Russia as well depending on winds.


Air bursts at optimal heights don't produce downwind fallout...


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Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Diggerman] #7524602
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Why does a guy in Sask have to get his war news from a guy in Texas about a "war" or as I like to call it , an "incursion" in western europe? Honest question.


I wonder if the Russian activity in Ukraine has now reached a point beyond what Biden called a "minor incursion".

Re: Ukraine War.. key observation [Re: Osagian] #7524611
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Originally Posted by Osagian
I heard that speech. In front of the whole world and all those European heads of state and her giggling like a ninny. I was embarrassed for her. I was embarrassed for me just listening to it.


A twelve year old would have had better command of the subject.

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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Osagian
I heard that speech. In front of the whole world and all those European heads of state and her giggling like a ninny. I was embarrassed for her. I was embarrassed for me just listening to it.


A twelve year old would have had better command of the subject.


C'mon man, she worked hard on that speech, and even remembered the names of both countries. Give her a break, there's alot of pressure in being the future POTUS.

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