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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530153
03/16/22 08:29 PM
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Wrong answer ^^

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530158
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It will eventually disappear, one way or another it will be gone.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Andrew Eastwood] #7530170
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
Maybe I am ignorant, but why in hades would they turn a known livestock killer loose? SMH


Because food and clothes are made in the back of the store and farmers and ranchers are greedy land hungry ogres. The sheep farmer is out 6500 bucks but o well we found a new fluffy to go nuts over.

They way this should be looked at is if we are seeing animals that had not been seen in decades is that the management practices in place are working so don't screw them up by making changes. I saw that in klamath with the stupid sucker, someone saw some spawning in a ditch and the college educated idiot's said that couldn't be they needed fine gravel. When they rehabilitated they spawning ground the fish were using with what they had to have the fish never spawned there again but it was better then the ditch had been.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Boco] #7530175
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Originally Posted by Boco
Good to get the natural balance back,they will be beneficial to a lot of smaller furbearers.

Yes the fox and coyotes will have plenty of dead stock to scavenge on along with the Golden and Bald Buzzerds.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: corky] #7530177
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Originally Posted by corky
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Things will get shut down

Exactly right. Worst thing that could have happened.


Allow me to be the cynic and askÖshut what down? Itís Utah and apparently the property is only good enough to graze sheep. With all sympathy due to the owner of the sheep I donít think we necessarily need the sheep. We also donít need the wolverine but one of these items is much more interesting to have in our world.


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530203
03/16/22 09:08 PM
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How long will it take before they use the Endangered Species Act to lock up hundreds of thousands of acres


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530219
03/16/22 09:16 PM
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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Monster Toms] #7530220
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Originally Posted by Monster Toms
It's funny that Colorado is contemplating wolverine reintroduction, and in the last week two turn up in the public eye. one in Wyoming one in Utah. confused

Wolves were re introduced here. Onto private land. Without the owners permission or knowledge . One of my Sporting Goods Customers went home way North of Pine City and went around a corner on a back dirt road and Wolves were being released onto his land. Back in the late 90's


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530237
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I think if it killed my livestock I would have killed it and kept my mouth shut

Are they protected in Utah?
I would not think so since they were not known to be there?

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530245
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Oh great! Just what Utahian sheep need. Another reason to be nervous...

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7530315
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
How long will it take before they use the Endangered Species Act to lock up hundreds of thousands of acres

I'll be the broken record again, agenda 21.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Giant Sage] #7530387
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by Boco
Good to get the natural balance back,they will be beneficial to a lot of smaller furbearers.

Yes the fox and coyotes will have plenty of dead stock to scavenge on along with the Golden and Bald Buzzerds.

HEY -- your terminology is off on this post -- They are called the white tailed vultures in this neck of the woods. grin

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530529
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Allow me to be the cynic and askÖshut what down? Itís Utah and apparently the property is only good enough to graze sheep. With all sympathy due to the owner of the sheep I donít think we necessarily need the sheep. We also donít need the wolverine but one of these items is much more interesting to have in our world.[/quote]
You may not need the sheep,but Ill bet the guy that owned them would like them back


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530603
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Lol....thought they was talking about wild sheep.That makes more sense now about 18 killed in the same day.


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Clark] #7530623
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Originally Posted by Clark


Allow me to be the cynic and askÖshut what down? Itís Utah and apparently the property is only good enough to graze sheep. With all sympathy due to the owner of the sheep I donít think we necessarily need the sheep. We also donít need the wolverine but one of these items is much more interesting to have in our world.


Well first off, they'll shut down motorized use, trapping, and likely hunting in an area as big as they deem necessary to not disturb any possible resident wolverines. Yeah they'll likely shut down livestock grazing also.

All these people back east without public land don't seem to grasp the large amounts of public land in the west that is the only land most hunt, trap, and recreate on. Or how you simply can't access most of it without motorized access. Or that although it is owned by us, some of those managing it think that any public use of it is bad and will use any available excuse to limit and block access and use.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530625
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Its not the wolverine per se, it's the government's response tot he wolverine that'll be awful. We in Montana know this with lynx, wolves, grizzly bears and wolverines. You'd best pray hard that the gubmint doesn't find an "endangered species" in your area. BTW, last week in Montana we had a wolverine running around in down-town Lewistown- hardly classic wolverine habitat.

Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530690
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Came across an NBC news article about this last night... Said it was the 8th one they've come across in Utah since 1979. Had a little video of wildlife resources examining, radio collaring*, and weighing the beast.

Then it went on the explain about "loss of habitat due to climate change" and possible considerations of the ESA to protect them.

I like wolverines. But I also have family members who raise sheep... And sheep figure out how to die for no apparent reason all on their own. The last thing a rancher needs is another cause of dead sheep.

ESA protection is the best way to make sure that any wolverines spotted by ranchers get the 3S treatment. But the US government in its wisdom will slam their fists on the desk and say their law is supreme... And the ranchers will shrug their shoulders, leave the meeting, and stop at the nearest store on their way home to buy more ammo and shovels.

Mike

*How long will a wolverine put up with wearing a radio collar around its neck? It's a wolverine... Not exactly the most calm and cooperative organism on the planet.

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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530743
03/17/22 12:35 PM
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I don't know how long they will tolerate a collar but I suspect Gulo has so good info on that question.

I think the sheep killing is really abnormal behavior. I would bet that particular animal has never encountered anything like a pen full of sheep before. Wolverine are more scavenger than predator but I can understand how one could react like this. It's sort of like the phenomenon of "surplus killing" that we occasionally see with wolves in the spring.

I had a TMAN member remark to me that he had been out disking a field in the spring and there were hundreds of gulls following the tractor. He said it was like 14 year old boys standing outside a brothel. ( I don't know how he would know that ) ......but I suspect this wolverine had that exact experience.

Of course none of that is any consolation to the sheep man.

I really enjoy having both wolves and wolverines on my trap line. They are beneficial to all the other small critters.


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: Andrew Eastwood] #7530763
03/17/22 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
Maybe I am ignorant, but why in hades would they turn a known livestock killer loose? SMH



the thought is the Judas pig concept I suspect.

they think they have 1 Wolverine , but do they really have a mating pair and cubs if it never stops or returns to a location possibly just a wanderer but if it keep returning to a location , that warrants investigation.



as to 18 in a morning dead or wounded , well there is a reason we refer to helpless people as sheep , sheep cluster up and make themselves some fairly easy targets , there is a reason people and their dogs have been protecting them for thousands of years so that they provide those people and dogs with a source of meat , wool , fur , and income.

feral goats are a thing , even feral cattle ,but feral sheep not so much and it isn't because none ever had an opportunity to get away.


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Re: Wolverine captured in Utah [Re: BigBob] #7530770
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Since it was male I suspect it is just a wanderer. It is also that time of year when they are looking for love.


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