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Dog proof traps past and present. #7523049
03/09/22 09:52 PM
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When we look at the history of the Dog Proof trap we can see those first trappers were thinking and figuring things out. Thinking out of the box. Catching coon without fear of catching dogs. The first DP traps, that I do not have, but wish I did and would love to add and show folks in my DP trapping seminars were a different mindset. The concept for DP traps was two mindsets. One mindset was to bury, out of sight, and the other just stick it in the ground. Over the years the standard set or what I call the stupid set took over and became the excepted way to set the traps, with very few trappers thinking about digging them in. I wish I could say that I came up with the digging them in mindset but I didn't. What I did do was take an older mindset and adapt it to a newer way. The reason was for a couple of reasons. One digging them in hides the trap from people. Folks can't understand the thinking process of NJ trappers, living in a state that has more people, dogs, and cats per square mile than any other state makes us think differently about how to get ur done trapping-wise. Where the critters are so are people and pets. Next digging them in, pocket sets, or mounds sets, can be put in a min to min in a half. So time is not a factor. Next, was catching the raccoon bang bang bang then no catching at all, yet the coon are still there got me thinking. Were they avoiding the trap or what? Most folks will say change the baits, yet the baits were making the catches at first. I took the same bait that was working and when the catches stopped, I put the bait outside the traps and the coon ate it, but not in the trap. So I went back to foothold trapping mindsets and looked at the presentation, and the catches started again with the same baits just different presentations. Only this time I noticed that better coon was getting caught along with the little ones. So enter the 80/20 concept. Next because we lost the foot trap back in 1984 and our grey fox population growing again snaring is slow with the little cat-like fox. I saw the grey fox will work the dug-in or other advanced DP sets. So I worked on making the DP work on them. Being a full-time ADC/Trapper for over 40 years has forced me to look at things differently when it comes to trapping and capture, in both fur and ADC. And yes I am crazy and I have papers to prove it. Thanks to the old mindsets new mindsets can be had. Also, the dog-proof trap is a great tool in ADC wildlife control or Fur trapping.
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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523278
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Interesting way to look at those little traps


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523302
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I still have a pile of Yancy traps. I sure wish he was still around.

Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523309
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And they still work.

Here is one of our older Coon cuffs model still doing its thing this winter here.
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And here is a 1990s model Duffers DP, still doing its thing.
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The only old DPs I ever bought that just didn't "last" over time were egg traps. The plastic got brittle over time and a coon would shatter them into a jillion bits when they got to that point. But I still use all my old duffers and coon cuffs. They just plain work.

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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523320
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I have a coon cuff and still have a couple egg traps. Those egg traps were such a pain to get the coon out of I never used them much. My daughter bought them for me at xmas one year right after they came out. Son bought some duffer traps when he was in High School at an NTA convention. I think Rochester MN back in the 90's.


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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523328
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I need to take your course on using those coon cuffs danny. I still have a few and couldn't catch a cold in them. Coon tracks slobbered everywhere but no raccoon in the cuff. I asked Dennis many times about how to do this, that, and the other to make them catch, and I caught a few, but there is a trick I guess and I must not be a tricky dude or something.


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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523337
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Thats why I only have A coon cuff Mark. Never seemed to practical to me either.


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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523363
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Those old DP traps put me in the place for me to figure out how to dig in the modern DPS. My go-to for dug-in traps are Dukes and diablos. But they all work with just little tweaks. What is the biggest complaint that fox and coyote trappers have? Coons and skunks plugging up the set. Then why is it that folks shove in a DP trap catch a coon or two then the catches stop but coon are still there then the trapper sticks in a fox or yote set and they catch coon? Mark at the school what did you force-feed the class? You drove home think about what is there and how the coyote is going to react to what you do. Yes, 80% of the coon are dumb stupid, and easy to catch. But 20 percent are going to be a pain and do not want to be caught. then different presentations need to be done if you have to catch them. just like the coyote avoiding the dirt hole you make a flat or blind set. Below is what I call fox trapping coon with DP traps. the catch location and the remake. 5 mins at the site to kill the coon and do the remake and I was moving slow that day. LOL getting too old to rush. If you do not have to catch all the coon or you don;t want to catch fox then look at this as just thoughts.
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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523395
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One drawback to the dug-in set if you have coyotes in the area is they dig them up and pull the trap out. I show a lot of DP stuff on my FB page but tend to hold back on here.

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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523399
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I use a large tomato juice can or section of pvc pipe. Coon cuff fits right in one. The t stake stabilizes the can and trap top. Bait in the can, put set trap in can with hole up of course.
Sections of pvc work real nice on water sets.
Both have a ton of eye appeal.
Dennis Vicars taught me both those setups.

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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523417
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In the time it took me to make a set with a coon cuff I could make two sets with a foot trap. I have some duke DP's now. They are fast. I get fewer refusals though with my foot traps. I really think a guy needs more than one tool.


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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523536
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An ole country boy from Missouri started quite a stir that caused quite a chain of events in the trapping world for a few years when he came out with modern dog proof.
They were the hottest item in the industry for a few years.

Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523551
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I've got a few cuffs and still break them out from time to time.

What was the one out of California that was all the rage immediately prior to the griz hitting it hot? I recall it and that the maker died about the time the griz got going but for the life of me I can't recall the names.

Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523553
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BTW the egg always had my interest as the visual appeal works on trappers as much as it does coons but it just looked to fiddly to ever actually buy one.

Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523555
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I've long thought that coon are a lot smarter than most give them credit for. It's not how many you catch, it's how many are you missing?


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7523573
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I knew John Duffer.
He had nothing good to say about "the industry".
RIP JD

There are piles of well fed top lot coon in the heavy population areas.
Dogs can be worked around by the fur trapper,
safety zones and people are the tuff part.





Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7527537
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Here you go, Jonsie. These things fit right in a large juice can. Mine all have earth anchors on cable to anchor them. A t-stake pushed down alongside the upright can with the t-handle pressing down on the trap and can really stabilizer them well. Bait in the can is weatherproof, and has a ton of eye appeal.
This is my go-to dryland set for coon cuffs for many years.
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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: Jonesie] #7532351
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Any of you remember the first DP? Old boy outta Ca that came up with it, and I met him at a convention and bought six of them. PITA to set, was a dug in trap, but they caught coon. As I remember Duffers was next, then the egg trap I think was the order to get to simplicity! I never used any egg traps or coon cuffs. Egg traps were too complicated (time spent) and coon cuffs looked like foot choppers to me,


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Re: Dog proof traps past and present. [Re: lee steinmeyer] #7532859
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Any of you remember the first DP? Old boy outta Ca that came up with it, and I met him at a convention and bought six of them. PITA to set, was a dug in trap, but they caught coon. As I remember Duffers was next, then the egg trap I think was the order to get to simplicity! I never used any egg traps or coon cuffs. Egg traps were too complicated (time spent) and coon cuffs looked like foot choppers to me,


I caught hundreds of coons in them Lee. I modified them be set on top of the ground, instead of having to dig them in.

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