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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7540927
03/27/22 03:13 PM
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"The Northern areas of Canada and Alaska produce a Sable that is larger in size and heavy in weight. The Central and Southern areas of Canada and Northern U.S. produce Sables that are smaller in size and lighter in weight. Pelts from the Western U.S. are flat with loose underfur, light in weight and have hazy tone to the colour."

Only 310 Sables graded Western in the Catalog. Must be some intersorting going on. I bet they weren't in the samples.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7540939
03/27/22 03:23 PM
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Wywolfer... he has NEVER sold his marten for less than 35.00 in the country or at auction.

Some of the ones he sold this year actually brought 45 ..but the average was close to 36 overall this year.


Maybe you should look at the quality of the marten he has before you make such generalized statements about fur you've never actually seen .

And they were sold to a regular fur buyer and not for the craft market..

And get this...the buyer he sold to is in Wyoming so I'm pretty sure he has a clue to the quality of the fur he's buying...
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Our thing is if its NVd in the country you get it back and they will explain to you why it has no value

They don't just say its worthless and keep it..and sell it
.or do whatever they want with it

Tom Krause told Jerry dont trap the marten before the 15th. Of october..he said if Jerry waited he wouldn't have the section 3s so that what Jerry does.

And he's done usually by Nov 2nd or 3rd...depending on the weather


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7540949
03/27/22 03:34 PM
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We moved out season from Oct. 15 to Nov. 01 20 years ago and are a lot better off for it. Marten are not going anywhere and maybe push a bit of snow but worth it for the priming that goes on. Better again Nov. 15 if a person can wait.

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: Dirt] #7540960
03/27/22 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Around here trapping and putting up red fox for $5 would be considered NV. That would be Negative Value.



My Alaskan grandson sold his lynx for $110.00 and his red fox for $50.00.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: cathryn] #7540969
03/27/22 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cathryn



And jerrys october caught marten just brought 35 av on 275



For real? Who was the buyer?

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7540994
03/27/22 04:12 PM
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When he contacted Jerry and offered him 35 straight he said with Jerry's his order was filled because we asked him if he needed anymore because we were going to tell a friend about the market .


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541054
03/27/22 05:17 PM
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For real?



Who was the buyer?

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541112
03/27/22 06:15 PM
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Hes a big buyer in Wyoming and a member of TMan



If he wants his identity known he will.post on thia thread


I'm not.gonna post his name because hes already said his orders full and I don't want him over run with people calling him trying to sell theres to him.

I'll tell you in PM if you dont post it on the open forum


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541174
03/27/22 07:40 PM
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No Value NV pelts are disposed of in the landfill.

In general a no value pelt has gone through a full season of auctions before being deemed no value.

I have never seen no value pelts disposed of in any other fashion.

Mostly happens for example on eastern/central type coyote or raccoons.

When the auction calls them no value it is the last thing they want to do because they have money involved in them too.

In the past anything and everything was shipped to auction for example rubbed out junk or really early small skins, summer road kills. You don't see as much now but some trappers thing if they catch it they have to skin it.

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: gibb] #7541202
03/27/22 08:04 PM
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FHA threw away a lot folks bottom third of red fox and raccoon a while back. The facts are these pelts were not mangy, badly rubbed, summer caught junk no matter how anyone wants to spin it. The same type of pelts brought BIG money back in 2013.

The market has changed and the lower end has no to little value BUT the high end is not worth much either!

I understand there was no demand for these type of pelts and I also understand that FHA was not going to store forever but accusing trappers of sending pure garbage is insulting because many of us know what fur we sent and also know for a fact that these pelts would have some value in alternative markets.

How is a trapper to know what is NV when the needle on the barometer is always changing??


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541231
03/27/22 08:23 PM
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They may have value if someone adds value to them,but no value on the raw fur market.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541273
03/27/22 08:51 PM
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I can not comment on what they do today, but try and keep in mind they have to invested time and money in the pelts.

Some you folks should attend the auction and see the process for yourselves. Calling it no value is the last thing they want to do.

They are their own worse enemy because when the market for something is hot they jam the crap into it.

When the market is bad and this should be no surprise to anybody the bad stuff falls off the table.

With less and less selling opportunities it is getting harder and harder to sell just about anything.

Maybe some of you have noticed not many places let to sell anything.

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: gibb] #7541296
03/27/22 09:08 PM
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It is truly a rock and a hard place. It is easy to say “trap later” or “cherry pick and send the best” but what happens when the next market swing occurs and when once a November caught fox or raccoon has no value now becomes a December pelt having no value simply because the trapper lives in the wrong section? It’s a game of Russian Roulette.

The reality is is that the practice is forcing the hand of those who once were content in shipping to get creative in finding new outlets for their fur. That’s probably a great thing for fur producers but maybe not such a good thing for an auction house whose revenue comes from moving a volume of fur.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541325
03/27/22 09:44 PM
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Well, if a fur dealer in Ohio had 1000 red fox I'd like to know, where did they come from, how many were stale goods, from how many years ago etc. As far as NV's are concerned, I've sent a lot of raccoon up there over the years, none recently, and I doubt I've had over 2-3 NV's in all the thousands sent, and none of them were there less than a year, more like at least 2 years, and they were small off grade skins that I wouldn't even think of buying in todays market.

Last year a few hundred rats were shipped, more than double that amount sold to a big buyer that has direct markets, I was happy with the direct market rats but the FHA rats averaged almost a dollar more, was real happy with that and in hindsight wished I had sent them all up and took a chance. I also cherry picked some coyotes from western Kansas and sent them last year, two didn't sell. One did last week, a 1X-Lg select semi D for $22.00. Last year a 1X-Lg I semi D sold for $43.00. Kind of wish the select would have sold last year, but the market is gone and there's nothing I can do about it now.

Since I've been trapping the grade has been changing with the demand, and according to the A R Harding book from 1915 I've been reading for entertainment, that was the case back then too. A hot market means a soft grade, a weak market means a tough grade, I would really hope that no one out there doesn't understand that this overall market is now as bad, or almost as bad as most of us have seen in our lifetime. For my section fur there is much of it that is truly no value on the world fur market right now, learn to tell what you have, if it's NV then simply don't skin it.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541385
03/27/22 10:44 PM
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Good and interesting post Mr. Daniels.


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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: cathryn] #7541637
03/28/22 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cathryn
Hes a big buyer in Wyoming and a member of TMan



If he wants his identity known he will.post on thia thread


I'm not.gonna post his name because hes already said his orders full and I don't want him over run with people calling him trying to sell theres to him.

I'll tell you in PM if you dont post it on the open forum




I can't pm you, your message inbox is full.


I would like to know, for curiosity sake.

But you don't owe me anything.

Thanks



Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541640
03/28/22 09:22 AM
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The grade doesn't change it is the market base that is always in flux.

For example;

A $12.00 top lot for the best muskrat gives a market base with lots of room for a 5% drop per grade right down to the smalls, kits and damages.

A $6.00 top means the base does not support the off grades.

Same grades but half the grades are selling for nothing or going unsold.

Trappers are left wondering what is going on,

In a hot market when you have competition for the goods you can push the grades a little, but understanding the market base is what really drives the sales.

In a down market the grade is tighter because the buyers can and will ask for their money back if the goods don't match the grade.

Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541723
03/28/22 10:48 AM
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Good explanation Jim.
Could see it play out in the Coyote market over the last few years.

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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: walleyed] #7541727
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!! [Re: gibb] #7542373
03/28/22 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gibb
The grade doesn't change it is the market base that is always in flux.

For example;

A $12.00 top lot for the best muskrat gives a market base with lots of room for a 5% drop per grade right down to the smalls, kits and damages.

A $6.00 top means the base does not support the off grades.

Same grades but half the grades are selling for nothing or going unsold.

Trappers are left wondering what is going on,

In a hot market when you have competition for the goods you can push the grades a little, but understanding the market base is what really drives the sales.

In a down market the grade is tighter because the buyers can and will ask for their money back if the goods don't match the grade.


Agreed, and your last two lines are exactly what I am saying. Grades will have the same name, yes, but the skins within that grade name will differ slightly depending on the market. It's been that way in the country for my lifetime because that's what the end users were obviously agreeable to.


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