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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: white17] #7538847
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Originally Posted by white17
If you were a wolf, would you prefer to target a moose or a more easily taken deer ?



Easy answer. Moose every time. Even in areas where other ungulates are present such as caribou, if moose are present wolves will target them first.

The article lost all credibility when it inferred wolves killed only calves. The wolf population in MN is growing, thats why the moose population is in decline.


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539056
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Scroll down to the wolves being reintroduced to the Isle Royale .

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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: yukon254] #7539138
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by white17
If you were a wolf, would you prefer to target a moose or a more easily taken deer ?



Easy answer. Moose every time. Even in areas where other ungulates are present such as caribou, if moose are present wolves will target them first.

The article lost all credibility when it inferred wolves killed only calves. The wolf population in MN is growing, thats why the moose population is in decline.

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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539147
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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: yukon254] #7539153
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by white17
If you were a wolf, would you prefer to target a moose or a more easily taken deer ?



Easy answer. Moose every time. Even in areas where other ungulates are present such as caribou, if moose are present wolves will target them first.

The article lost all credibility when it inferred wolves killed only calves. The wolf population in MN is growing, thats why the moose population is in decline.



I don't think we can make a generalized statement like that. It could depend a great deal on the time of year, the snow conditions, if any, is the target a single animal or a cow with calf.

The article is talking about moose being killed by brain worm. Not moose being killed by all means. If a moose is found dead but not eaten, and without obvious signs of predation it's pretty difficult to chalk that up to a wolf kill. If that same animal is shown to have brain worm, I would say that's a pretty good indicator of what killed it.

I'm not saying that wolves aren't killing calves.I am saying that research shows that bears are a much larger factor at targeting calves than wolves.


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539167
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Research Shows that, yes...

But here in Stupidville, Minn. Bears can be managed through hunting

Wolves are breeding Unchecked...not sustainable at all for our other animals


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539186
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I didnt see any mention of uneaten moose ? Maybe I missed that? Hard for me to believe any ungulate would lay dead for very long without being eaten. I've never seen it anyway. I agree 100% that bears kill more calves than wolves, but wolves kill more moose than bears overall. In every area I have experience in, wolves prefer moose over any other ungulate. Not saying they wont kill other animals but it seems that they prefer them. My thoughts have always been that moose are preferred because they provide more calories for effort.

I've also never ever seen an increase in wolf AND moose numbers. When the wolf population goes up, moose decline. Every single time. So no I dont believe the wolves "are good for the moose population in MN." Its been well documented that the wolf population in MN has been increasing. Moose populations will suffer without question. The worms might make it worse, but my guess is wolves are the real problem.


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539373
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A scientific study proved that the results of all scientific studies are directly impacted by where the money comes from!

Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: 330-Trapper] #7539423
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Im still trying to figure out why there is such a knee-jerk reaction to this article. It doesnt state that wolves help increase moose populations. It says wolves help prevent the transmission of brain worm from deer to moose. And it ends on this note:

I think if we can agree on an area in the core moose range where we are going to work to benefit moose, and we include deer management and maybe some wolf management to start, along with targeted habitat work, we might succeed, study author Seth Moore, a wildlife biologist at the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, told the Pioneer Press. We might be able to keep moose in Minnesota.

They call for wolf management, why are we so set against this article?


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7539426
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
A scientific study proved that the results of all scientific studies are directly impacted by where the money comes from!

This


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Re: Wolves Help Moose. Propaganda study [Re: Clark] #7539430
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Originally Posted by Clark
Im still trying to figure out why there is such a knee-jerk reaction to this article. It doesnt state that wolves help increase moose populations. It says wolves help prevent the transmission of brain worm from deer to moose. And it ends on this note:

I think if we can agree on an area in the core moose range where we are going to work to benefit moose, and we include deer management and maybe some wolf management to start, along with targeted habitat work, we might succeed, study author Seth Moore, a wildlife biologist at the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, told the Pioneer Press. We might be able to keep moose in Minnesota.

They call for wolf management, why are we so set against this article?

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n the chickens are all gone. That's Why! It's Not Rocket Science.


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