Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: walleyed]
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03/27/22 03:13 PM
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"The Northern areas of Canada and Alaska produce a Sable that is larger in size and heavy in weight. The Central and Southern areas of Canada and Northern U.S. produce Sables that are smaller in size and lighter in weight. Pelts from the Western U.S. are flat with loose underfur, light in weight and have hazy tone to the colour."
Only 310 Sables graded Western in the Catalog. Must be some intersorting going on. I bet they weren't in the samples.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: walleyed]
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03/27/22 03:23 PM
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cathryn
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Wywolfer... he has NEVER sold his marten for less than 35.00 in the country or at auction.
Some of the ones he sold this year actually brought 45 ..but the average was close to 36 overall this year.
Maybe you should look at the quality of the marten he has before you make such generalized statements about fur you've never actually seen .
And they were sold to a regular fur buyer and not for the craft market..
And get this...the buyer he sold to is in Wyoming so I'm pretty sure he has a clue to the quality of the fur he's buying... .
Our thing is if its NVd in the country you get it back and they will explain to you why it has no value
They don't just say its worthless and keep it..and sell it .or do whatever they want with it
Tom Krause told Jerry dont trap the marten before the 15th. Of october..he said if Jerry waited he wouldn't have the section 3s so that what Jerry does.
And he's done usually by Nov 2nd or 3rd...depending on the weather
IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: Dirt]
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03/27/22 03:45 PM
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Around here trapping and putting up red fox for $5 would be considered NV. That would be Negative Value.
My Alaskan grandson sold his lynx for $110.00 and his red fox for $50.00.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: cathryn]
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03/27/22 03:52 PM
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And jerrys october caught marten just brought 35 av on 275
For real? Who was the buyer?
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: walleyed]
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03/27/22 04:12 PM
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When he contacted Jerry and offered him 35 straight he said with Jerry's his order was filled because we asked him if he needed anymore because we were going to tell a friend about the market .
IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: walleyed]
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03/27/22 06:15 PM
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Hes a big buyer in Wyoming and a member of TMan
If he wants his identity known he will.post on thia thread
I'm not.gonna post his name because hes already said his orders full and I don't want him over run with people calling him trying to sell theres to him.
I'll tell you in PM if you dont post it on the open forum
IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: walleyed]
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03/27/22 08:23 PM
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They may have value if someone adds value to them,but no value on the raw fur market.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
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03/27/22 09:44 PM
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Well, if a fur dealer in Ohio had 1000 red fox I'd like to know, where did they come from, how many were stale goods, from how many years ago etc. As far as NV's are concerned, I've sent a lot of raccoon up there over the years, none recently, and I doubt I've had over 2-3 NV's in all the thousands sent, and none of them were there less than a year, more like at least 2 years, and they were small off grade skins that I wouldn't even think of buying in todays market.
Last year a few hundred rats were shipped, more than double that amount sold to a big buyer that has direct markets, I was happy with the direct market rats but the FHA rats averaged almost a dollar more, was real happy with that and in hindsight wished I had sent them all up and took a chance. I also cherry picked some coyotes from western Kansas and sent them last year, two didn't sell. One did last week, a 1X-Lg select semi D for $22.00. Last year a 1X-Lg I semi D sold for $43.00. Kind of wish the select would have sold last year, but the market is gone and there's nothing I can do about it now.
Since I've been trapping the grade has been changing with the demand, and according to the A R Harding book from 1915 I've been reading for entertainment, that was the case back then too. A hot market means a soft grade, a weak market means a tough grade, I would really hope that no one out there doesn't understand that this overall market is now as bad, or almost as bad as most of us have seen in our lifetime. For my section fur there is much of it that is truly no value on the world fur market right now, learn to tell what you have, if it's NV then simply don't skin it.
Keith Daniels Retired OSTA President as of 4:50 P M 9/12/20
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
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03/27/22 10:44 PM
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Good and interesting post Mr. Daniels.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
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03/28/22 09:20 AM
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Hes a big buyer in Wyoming and a member of TMan
If he wants his identity known he will.post on thia thread
I'm not.gonna post his name because hes already said his orders full and I don't want him over run with people calling him trying to sell theres to him.
I'll tell you in PM if you dont post it on the open forum
I can't pm you, your message inbox is full. I would like to know, for curiosity sake. But you don't owe me anything. Thanks
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
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03/28/22 10:48 AM
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Good explanation Jim. Could see it play out in the Coyote market over the last few years.
Last edited by Boco; 03/28/22 10:49 AM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: FHA Grades are up & posted !!!!
[Re: gibb]
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03/28/22 10:07 PM
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Keith Daniels
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The grade doesn't change it is the market base that is always in flux.
For example;
A $12.00 top lot for the best muskrat gives a market base with lots of room for a 5% drop per grade right down to the smalls, kits and damages.
A $6.00 top means the base does not support the off grades.
Same grades but half the grades are selling for nothing or going unsold.
Trappers are left wondering what is going on,
In a hot market when you have competition for the goods you can push the grades a little, but understanding the market base is what really drives the sales.
In a down market the grade is tighter because the buyers can and will ask for their money back if the goods don't match the grade. Agreed, and your last two lines are exactly what I am saying. Grades will have the same name, yes, but the skins within that grade name will differ slightly depending on the market. It's been that way in the country for my lifetime because that's what the end users were obviously agreeable to.
Keith Daniels Retired OSTA President as of 4:50 P M 9/12/20
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