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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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Ok one more question ,iv been using a combo square for the longest,is it really a good tool for waht I'm taking about or ? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/03/full-34110-134108-screenshot_20220329_182709.png) The Starrett Combo was a standard issue for Pipe Fabricators at Dow Chemical along with 2 squares, a book of logarithms and the Universal Pipefitter & Layout Guide by John L. Matasovic. Compound bends, miters, & rolling offsets, we used them just about every day.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
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Wolfie, You need a job on a construction crew or at a custom metal fab shop. You would learn a lot of things and get paid for it. Skills and a trade that you would be able to take with you. Construction was actually my first job. I've actually looked at getting either a fab job or back in construction but the local shop just plain Don't pay . And I only make $13.50 an hour so that should give you an idea what their rates are lol. Not to mention most shops want people who already know what there doing not somone they have to train which sucks. But on the bright side I do tend to end up getting burn d out on things when it's just a job.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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03/29/22 09:14 PM
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If you're gonna work with pipe, a wrap around is a must. Maybe called different things on the market, but it is a rolled up instrument that has all sorts of great info on it!
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Yukon John]
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03/29/22 09:24 PM
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If you're gonna work with pipe, a wrap around is a must. Maybe called different things on the market, but it is a rolled up instrument that has all sorts of great info on it! That is exactly right YJ but it seemed as though most never paid attention to all the info on them to take the time to read it. They just used the wrap-around as a wrap-around, rolled it back up and put it back in the box! LOL Every available space on the back of a 6’er had something didn’t it.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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03/29/22 09:25 PM
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Ok one more question ,iv been using a combo square for the longest,is it really a good tool for waht I'm taking about or ? If someone showed up on one of my jobs with that I'd have fired him on the spot. We ain't building pianos here, lol. No seriously, for that fine of detail you're making cabinets not houses. But I got my start in cabinet shops and had to unlearn some stuff went I moved into framing. BTW, Starrett is one of the top of the line makers.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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03/29/22 09:26 PM
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I use a speed square for a lot of things, bearing in mind complimentary angles and such.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
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03/29/22 09:31 PM
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Ok one more question ,iv been using a combo square for the longest,is it really a good tool for waht I'm taking about or ? If someone showed up on one of my jobs with that I'd have fired him on the spot. We ain't building pianos here, lol. No seriously, for that fine of detail you're making cabinets not houses. But I got my start in cabinet shops and had to unlearn some stuff went I moved into framing. BTW, Starrett is one of the top of the line makers. Just one of the differences in trades. In my case, those tools and reference guides depicts one reason why Pipe-fabricators were higher paid than Pipe-fitters.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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You have got lots of good information so far. The swanson blue book is a must have imo.
The framing square has a knee brace table on it to give you the length of the brace to complete the hypotenuse of the 90 deg. triangle. For example: you have a shelf that comes out 24", find that on the table and it will be 33.94" for the brace. For lengths not on the square divide your measurement by .707 , it will give you the brace length everytime. Both ends will be a 45 on a 90.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
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You dont need a big framing square. Its not used to square stuff up. You use a tape measure for that. A framing square is for laying stuff out. Rafters, joists, stairs and stuff with angles. Once you get the angle you can use one of those t bevels for the rest of them instead of lining up the framing square every time. Or cut a pattern board and write a P on it. You need to use the same pattern board every time or your cuts will start getting off more and more with each successive cut.. Or you could use a set of stair gauges.
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Seldom]
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If you're gonna work with pipe, a wrap around is a must. Maybe called different things on the market, but it is a rolled up instrument that has all sorts of great info on it! That is exactly right YJ but it seemed as though most never paid attention to all the info on them to take the time to read it. They just used the wrap-around as a wrap-around, rolled it back up and put it back in the box! LOL Every available space on the back of a 6’er had something didn’t it. 
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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If someone showed up on one of my jobs with that I'd have fired him on the spot. We ain't building pianos here, lol.
No seriously, for that fine of detail you're making cabinets not houses.
But I got my start in cabinet shops and had to unlearn some stuff went I moved into framing.
BTW, Starrett is one of the top of the line makers.
Just one of the differences in trades. In my case, those tools and reference guides depicts one reason why Pipe-fabricators were higher paid than Pipe-fitters. True that. I love the precision of a perfectly milled square board and cutting to the 32nd and everything fitting as seamless as physically possible. A real thing of beauty. But bare bones framing gets covered up so get it close and let the sheetrock crew float it out. LOL
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Re: Carpenters / fabricators , how do yall
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You dont need a big framing square. Its not used to square stuff up. You use a tape measure for that. A framing square is for laying stuff out. Rafters, joists, stairs and stuff with angles. Once you get the angle you can use one of those t bevels for the rest of them instead of lining up the framing square every time. Or cut a pattern board and write a P on it. You need to use the same pattern board every time or your cuts will start getting off more and more with each successive cut.. Or you could use a set of stair gauges. Yup.Brass stair gauges on one of my squares.
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