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Why do people do this ? #7558687
04/14/22 11:00 PM
04/14/22 11:00 PM
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Amite county Mississippi
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So y'all know I like building stuff and sharing pics or making how to's right ? Well something I ALWAYS SEE with anything from a rod holder to a hog trap is people have to talk about how they could do it sooo much simpler. Why ? I really don't get that. Like I get constructive criticism, I love it for the most part because usually good criticism actually makes me end up making something work better. But honestly alot of what I see isn't that. For instance I made a rod holder that pivoted , locked in place at each angle had a nut for driving it into the bank just every thing I wanted in a rod holder from my experiences fishing I put into that. Ok made a post explaining what I had med the features why I did what I did yadda yadda and asked what could be improved possibly. For every actually helpful critique I got ( add a anti spin here or make the stake longer there ,coat this part with XYZ) I got like five people saying stuff along the lines of " well I don't get why you need that all you gotta do is drive a piece of PVC into the bank !" That or it's a picture of a y stick propping up their rod or them just holding it.And it's like ummm ok you want a cookie or something? Like I just plain Don't get it. And I see this CONSTANTLY not just on my stuff but anything. I mean yeah I guess I I rode up in a buggy pulled by goats insisting it's 10x better then a modern car then yeah but why is it whenever someone it's trying to make someone new or improve something eveyone leaves their coats at the door rushing out to not give actual constrictive criticism but just talk about how much better they can do it with some bubble gum and a 9volt battery ? Even when you explain this is for a special deal and not for everything,everytime so on and so on it's like that just breeze though all that and explain how it's not good for abcdefg....even though you already said that tired
And even if you see a bunch of folks complaining about something non stop and you say " hay I'm welder I could probably tweak this a little ,what would y'all change ? What would y'all like it to do ? Material changes possibly?" People will tell you to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and go right back to complaining. That or they say all ya good do is ( and I scream internally).I just really really don't understand this mentality

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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558692
04/14/22 11:08 PM
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I like to use those metal electric fence posts. The ones with the triangle welded on at the bottom. I go up about two feet and bend an upside down U. Then bend the side of the u without the triangle straight away from the U angled up a bit. Go about 16 inchs and bend in a right side up U. Bolt cutter off the excess. File off the sharp stuff where I cut it. I use mapp gas to heat the post up where I am bending it. Take my camp chair to the bank. keep a cooler within reach and stick one in the ground on each side of me. At the reservoir I generally wear waders. Walk about waist deep then cast. Unroll line back to my chair.


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558710
04/14/22 11:41 PM
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One of the big problems with the internet is that anybody can express their opinion. In a face to face social situation, you would just walk away and ignore those people, who post crap responses like those and totally ignore them in the future. A lot of people only feel good if they're tearing someone else down. In real life, you would just avoid those people too. What other people think of you is much less important than what you think of yourself.

You need to figure out who is worth listening to and who is just background noise on the forums you frequent.

Keith

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558727
04/15/22 12:09 AM
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Creativity is something I've spent years contemplating.

I've come to the conclusion that very few people are creative. Not just very few - almost none. Everybody who says "just use a stick" isn't giving you a hard time. They're helping as much as they can. They just can't go any further than what they saw somebody else do before - and that's 99% of the population. Most people are so far from being creative that they can't understand why you could possibly want to improve on a stick. For them, all the possibilities already exist. In fact, you're very weird just for being creative.


-Ryan
Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558729
04/15/22 12:10 AM
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Just visualize kneecapping the naysayers when they pop up like you would if you were face to face with them. Of course they would not confront you in person. That would require him to brush the Cheto dust off his hand-me-down sweatshirt he got from his sister, roll off the beanbag chair, get dressed, waddle that fat behind up his mom's basement stairs, get a ride from his mom over to your house to do it.

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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558731
04/15/22 12:22 AM
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Constructive Criticism: Use more spaces in your discussion exploring, it is much easier to read and understand than one giant block of words !!
Thank you !!


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: maintenanceguy] #7558737
04/15/22 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Creativity is something I've spent years contemplating.

I've come to the conclusion that very few people are creative. Not just very few - almost none. Everybody who says "just use a stick" isn't giving you a hard time. They're helping as much as they can. They just can't go any further than what they saw somebody else do before - and that's 99% of the population. Most people are so far from being creative that they can't understand why you could possibly want to improve on a stick. For them, all the possibilities already exist. In fact, you're very weird just for being creative.

Have to agree on this for sure -- I have spent a large part of my life trying to find a "better" way to do whatever task is at hand (some work out and some don't). It seems that almost every time I seek an experts advice on improvements they always tell me " this is how I was taught to do it" but at least 50% of the time they cannot answer the question of why it is this way. They are very skilled and I listen to the words they say - to the point of understanding every aspect of the process that they may or may not understand -- then I make up my own mind on how to proceed. Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done just because it hasn't yet. There is almost always a different way to accomplish the task --- some may not be economically feasible at this time.

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558756
04/15/22 05:04 AM
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When one leaves all the gates open, they shouldn't complain about what runs in and what runs out....


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558761
04/15/22 05:31 AM
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Thick skin seems to be the secret to survival on this, and probably most other forums....well, and maybe the 'ignore' button smile

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: KeithC] #7558768
04/15/22 06:00 AM
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You need to figure out who is worth listening to and who is just background noise on the forums you frequent.

Keith[/quote]

^^^^this


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558769
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Its human nature?

If humans weren't always looking for the better, easier way, we'd still be wearing loin clothes and riding a horse.

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Turtledale] #7558796
04/15/22 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtledale


You need to figure out who is worth listening to and who is just background noise on the forums you frequent.

Keith


^^^^this[/quote]
I agree with the above statement^^^^

Even here on Tman you can tell who is all talk....
.......And there are several.


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558798
04/15/22 07:06 AM
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It's the internet;
Everyone is an expert on everything!

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558799
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I've had a couple brother in laws like that. No matter what you say they have to contradict it somehow. Keep on keepin on Wolfie. You're the better man.


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: H2ORat] #7558860
04/15/22 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Creativity is something I've spent years contemplating.

I've come to the conclusion that very few people are creative. Not just very few - almost none. Everybody who says "just use a stick" isn't giving you a hard time. They're helping as much as they can. They just can't go any further than what they saw somebody else do before - and that's 99% of the population. Most people are so far from being creative that they can't understand why you could possibly want to improve on a stick. For them, all the possibilities already exist. In fact, you're very weird just for being creative.

Have to agree on this for sure -- I have spent a large part of my life trying to find a "better" way to do whatever task is at hand (some work out and some don't). It seems that almost every time I seek an experts advice on improvements they always tell me " this is how I was taught to do it" but at least 50% of the time they cannot answer the question of why it is this way. They are very skilled and I listen to the words they say - to the point of understanding every aspect of the process that they may or may not understand -- then I make up my own mind on how to proceed. Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done just because it hasn't yet. There is almost always a different way to accomplish the task --- some may not be economically feasible at this time.


And if you are cursed with creativity you will need to ignore everybody else because everybody else believes it can't be done until you do it. Creativity with an uncomfortable amount of self confidence can bring success - you kind of need to be so self confident that it makes others uncomfortable sometimes. If you think anyone else's opinion matters, being creative will just be frustrating.


-Ryan
Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558868
04/15/22 08:35 AM
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Sure you can make say a cage trap simpler...but that doesnt mean it will work as well. Most people sees such things as too much work.

You've problem see these Simple Craft videos that float around...yeah theyre simple...if you have a CNC Machine, metal lathes, hydraulic presses, etc.

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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558872
04/15/22 08:41 AM
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When folks say something can't be done, it only means they can't do it. You certainly are a doer !

On the other hand, tho, some folks (Aries) are terribly "scornful of advise", but still ask for opinions ...... and advise smile smile

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558878
04/15/22 08:48 AM
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I get it Wolfdog. Some people will always run faster, jump higher and dive deeper....
It's just human nature. For some it's malicious and some don't even realize they're doing it.
My philosophy is keep experimenting and keep sharing, some people genuinely appreciate it and get some value from even the "silly" ideas. Don't let others live rent free in your head.
I enjoy your enthusiasm on here and check out most of your posts.


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Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558884
04/15/22 08:59 AM
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As an analogy, these guys would look at a car and say i could make one sinpler. Well when/if they would build it, ot would resemble the Flintstone's car

Re: Why do people do this ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7558896
04/15/22 09:10 AM
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you will find those people are often selling themselves and not you , they are selling themselves that the pipe banged into the sand is the better option

same goes for the person who bought the uber xyz super awesome widget , they need to justify that they spent a lot of extra cash selling you on it assures them they didn't just blow money on it for no reason.

in any product review you nearly need to toss out the top and bottom 5% then start looking at who put real thought in to the review got the technical gave real info and not just anecdote



I also agree with the constructive criticism above more spaces and line breaks makes for an easier read.
no spaces and the reading glasses have to come out make it more than a few lines and it gets as hard to read as coonman

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