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Elon musk buying Twitter how far are you willing to go for free speech?
Should all all places be free speech ?
Are the the forums you know of free speech???


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Itís a private biz they can do what they want. Just like Trapperman. First amendment only covers government actions.

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Originally Posted by red mt
Elon musk buying Twitter how far are you willing to go for free speech?
Should all all places be free speech ?
Are the the forums you know of free speech???


Big tech has formed a monopoly to stifle speech they consider contradictory to their goals, they have been given legal protection which enables them to do this. The "public square" now exist online and we must reconcile with how that is going to exist while protecting 1st amendment rights.

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Pretty shady if your goal is to interfere with free speech but the woke sheep cannot figure that out itís a crazy world today and sad at that.


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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by red mt
Elon musk buying Twitter how far are you willing to go for free speech?
Should all all places be free speech ?
Are the the forums you know of free speech???


Big tech has formed a monopoly to stifle speech they consider contradictory to their goals, they have been given legal protection which enables them to do this. The "public square" now exist online and we must reconcile with how that is going to exist while protecting 1st amendment rights.



What Monopoly? Thereís Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Reddit, TikTock, Pinterest, Snapchat, LinkedIn, Parlar, Gettr, and Truth social just off the top of my head. That doesnít sounds like a monopoly to me.


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I guess it all depends on how you feel about the "publisher vs platform" argument.

We don't have the freedom to say what we want on this site. Our speech is regulated per the site rules. If you don't agree you are free to go elsewhere.

But if you claim to be a platform that is open to the free exchange of thoughts and ideas but you really aren't... Then you're just garbage. I see no legal means of recourse. But it's definitely a bad look.

I don't trust Elon Musk more than any other rich and powerful person. But I do hope he buys Twitter and shakes it up and changes it from being a leftist echo chamber. Free speech should potentially be a cause of discomfort for everyone.

We've heard over and over, "It's a free market. If you don't like it, start your own platform." Musk took it a step further and said, "How about I buy this one and run it the way I want?"

And all of a sudden leftist crybabies don't like the free market anymore.

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Originally Posted by red mt
Elon musk buying Twitter how far are you willing to go for free speech?
Should all all places be free speech ?
Are the the forums you know of free speech???

I belong to a hunting forum. No swearing or disrespect is allowed, but any topic is open.

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Originally Posted by WANNABE-TRAPPER
What Monopoly? Thereís Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Reddit, TikTock, Pinterest, Snapchat, LinkedIn, Parlar, Gettr, and Truth social just off the top of my head. That doesnít sounds like a monopoly to me.


The way in which they work together to suppress dissident voices is what makes them a Monopoly. The people banned on Twitter are also banned on most of the rest of the list, that is not an accident. Combine that with Google, Apple, etc promoting or demoting apps/websites that do not meet there desired political leanings and we have a problem.

How do we define "The public square"? The Supreme court took a bit of a stab at it in the 2017 decision Packingham V North Carolina but there needs to be further clarity as to how widely the "public square" will apply to the Web.

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Originally Posted by red mt
Elon musk buying Twitter how far are you willing to go for free speech?
Should all all places be free speech ?
Are the the forums you know of free speech???


Originally Posted by WANNABE-TRAPPER
Itís a private biz they can do what they want. Just like Trapperman. First amendment only covers government actions.


It's a publicly traded private business, which answers to it's shareholders. That said, yes, they can run it as they see fit. And if someone with a lot of money doesn't like the way they run it, they can attempt to take it over and run it the way THEY see fit. Ah... capitalism is great.

Red mt, I don't think I understand what you're getting at here? It would make sense if the government was trying to tell a private business what speech they could or could not limit. If that were the case, as much as I despise Twitter, I would support them against the government. But this is nothing like that. This is one businessman telling some other businessmen... hey, I think I can run your company better than you... so I'm going to try to get it and do just that. What's wrong with that?


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Originally Posted by MJM
Money talks on all sites.


Where is that like button lol


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In my belief any topic is fair game,,,, no swearing no racist comments,,, or crude jokes. Should be normal for censorship.but a voice heard in the wilderness should be heard. Imo


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The whole Musk/Twitter situation is a novel thing to discuss. I don't Twitter. No real loss either way.

Bill Gates (Mr. Eugenics and Synthetic Meat) buying up massive amounts of farmland strikes me as a bit more worrisome.

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While I wholeheartedly support the concept of a business such as Twitter having right to control content on their site much like Boss Dobbins does here there's a fly in the ointment.

At what point do large all encompassing and quite frankly monopolistic enterprises such as Google, Facebook/Meta and Twitter go beyond simple policing of harmful speech and start to steer the narrative of public discourse and common knowledge?

JMO, but they have gone way beyond that point and the dream of a free and open internet is now a farce of monopolistic power.

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the sitting potus was cancelled and not allowed to post on social media and some of you folks still think we have free speech......time to wake up. The liberals control the very largest majority of the narrative given to the citizens of the USA.....pasaki & biden lie day after day, spin away every day and no one really challenges that but Trump was fought with tooth and nail every day of his presidency by the same media outlets. If you cannot see that disparity your blind and if you do see it and still think we have free speech your mistaken. Conservatives that speak their minds are cancelled if what they say does not match the official version and musk will never be allowed to control a part of their propaganda branch.



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Originally Posted by Marty
the sitting potus was cancelled and not allowed to post on social media and some of you folks still think we have free speech......time to wake up. The liberals control the very largest majority of the narrative given to the citizens of the USA.....pasaki & biden lie day after day, spin away every day and no one really challenges that but Trump was fought with tooth and nail every day of his presidency by the same media outlets. If you cannot see that disparity your blind and if you do see it and still think we have free speech your mistaken. Conservatives that speak their minds are cancelled if what they say does not match the official version and musk will never be allowed to control a part of their propaganda branch.

AMEN x200

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Amen 300x


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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by Marty
the sitting potus was cancelled and not allowed to post on social media and some of you folks still think we have free speech......time to wake up. The liberals control the very largest majority of the narrative given to the citizens of the USA.....pasaki & biden lie day after day, spin away every day and no one really challenges that but Trump was fought with tooth and nail every day of his presidency by the same media outlets. If you cannot see that disparity your blind and if you do see it and still think we have free speech your mistaken. Conservatives that speak their minds are cancelled if what they say does not match the official version and musk will never be allowed to control a part of their propaganda branch.

AMEN x200



Yep x 400

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There is a difference in free speech there is the liberal 's free speech and the rest.
Being part of the rest the truth is thuth.
No matter what areana you are in do not let then cancel you.


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