Thats a fact......and just how much does the state have tied up in whitetail deer? Irks me to no end. Farmers feed them and provide habitat.

I see a lot of 28's being loaded with roll crimps for the little bit of extra room. With that extra density I'm guessing the shot retains energy of 2+ sizes larger than lead?

That is one impressive pattern.

From what I have seen #9 tss is about the same as #4/5 lead (at the same velocity). #9 tss will still kill at 70 plus yards, the pattern probably not so much. It's size and density give it its killing ability.

Yes, roll crimping can get you a little more room to work with.

Ive only patterned one turkey gun with a red dot and thats been 12 years ago. I shot a couple light loads close to get my red dot on, then moved back to 40, shot a few different turkey loads and one threw an awesome pattern so ive went with that since. Once u shoot at the dot, and u see ur pattern is heavy to one side or the other u draw the ten inch circle. Then do u then just lock in your gun/red dot on the original dot, and without moving the gun, move the red dot to the center of the circle drawn around your densest part of the pattern? You would probably need a second person or a gun vise. Am i interpreting that correctly?

DWC, that's exactly right. That's how I do it if I have a reliable way to lock the gun down. It takes way more "clicks" than you would think to get that dot where it needs to be