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Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results #7564839
04/20/22 09:33 PM
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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7564875
04/20/22 09:56 PM
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Any big surprises?


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7564893
04/20/22 10:04 PM
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I am surprised the ban on "killing contests" was so close

I would have expected a lot more people to see through the BS extremely bias wording of the question.

these are almost entirely coyote hunting contests

had you phrased that as , do you support prohibiting coyote hunting tournaments I don't think you would have seen the same numbers , I don't think some of your fishermen and such understood it wasn't a deer to turkey hunting tournament.


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7564896
04/20/22 10:06 PM
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How was turn out ?

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: N.Roberts] #7564911
04/20/22 10:12 PM
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Huge in favor for in person hunter safety. Several closer than one anticipates. With 20,000 plus voting it is not surprising to see several close questions when it comes to actual policy or numbers etc. I am seeing every year more no opinion votes, which means that several are voting on more specific issues. It is interesting that a decade ago it was all about SIMPLICITY and minimizing the number of different options, dates, regions etc. Over the last several years we now much have hundreds of lakes with differing bag limits, size limits etc. Nothing simple about those in my opinon.

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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565377
04/21/22 10:58 AM
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I wonder how a wanton waste law would pertain to the handling of NV fur. I think the way that question was worded, you would be in violation unless you process the fur or consume the meat.

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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565631
04/21/22 04:49 PM
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As I said ... You had to read the questions not only for what they said, but also for what they didn't say. Some questions were pretty open ended and I'm sure they were written that way on purpose.


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565655
04/21/22 05:31 PM
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The hearing results aren't binding at all. It's a glorified survey so that residents can feel like they are part of the process.

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565682
04/21/22 06:18 PM
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Bvr I was just discussing the many thermal night hunters that kill the coyote and then just leave it...wanton waste

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: N.Roberts] #7565705
04/21/22 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by N.Roberts
How was turn out ?


About 28,000. Still about half of record turnout, but twice the turnout as last year.

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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565829
04/21/22 09:02 PM
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"All the NRB is interested in is numbers." That is the quote from a Chairman of one of the CC Committees I have served on for over 2 decades when debating the validity of the online voting...excuse me...survey. We are seeing the effect of the "survey" answers from public that have not had the opportunity of discussion and debate of the in-person Spring Hearings.

We are looking at the end of the Wisconsin Conservation Congress which has served the public who actually had the gumption to attend the Spring Hearings and spend a couple hours every year in early April to make their opinions on our natural resources and their uses known.

Yes, attendance and numbers are good to some, but the survey results reflect an uninformed public that in many cases would love to end trapping and hunting as we have known them throughout our lives and those before us. Instead of giving the NRB and WDNR our opinions we are falling into the trap of giving them only numbers. Because the NRB is getting the numbers they want though this online b.s., the in-person Spring Hearings will never return.

If you are in favor of that, please do not whine when you lose something you claim to cherish.

Nuff said.

Moosetrot

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565856
04/21/22 09:19 PM
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Folks voting online tend to be even more educated IMO..if folks were unaware of a key point, they were not going to hear that point in the meeting. Instead they check out after they hear the same points over and over.

The end of the Congress will not be because folks can vote online. The end of the Congress will come from delegates refusing to engage with the hunting and fishing public in the channel of their choosing. In the last few years, more folks are aware they have an opportunity to participate so they participate. Just because someone values a different variable of the question, doesn't make them uninformed.

Take the passenger on the ATV question. Passed by wide margins. Folks that are extreme safety focused vote against. But lots of folks know that they can do it safely because they don't horse around so they vote for it. Both sides can be right, but you cant guage public opinion with less than 10,000 folks providing input.

If you don't like the way something turned out, get more folks involved, not less.

My biggest issue has been the lack of elections. That set back the WCC and CDACs.


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565888
04/21/22 09:43 PM
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WiMarshRat- You and I will never agree on this and I refuse to engage in a long-winded debate on the validity and efficacy of the online voting...excuse me again...survey. I have been attending the Spring Hearings since sometime in the early 80's, and many, many times I have seen opinions on particular subjects changed as a result of discussion and debate with the end result of informed votes. We will no longer have that opportunity.

If you are happy with that, wonderful for you. I have stated my opinion, am sticking with it, and frankly do not have time nor the energy anymore to discuss this with you on here as we have since the inception of a system that allows people to click on a little box so they think they are making a difference. Instead of listening, learning, discussing, and sometimes debating a particular issue so they actually know what they are voting for or against, they are quickly clicking their emotional responses on whatever device they may be using, instead of investing just a couple hours at the "Spring Hearings", which is now a misnomer for Spring survey.

Moosetrot

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7565990
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The majority (and even the vast majority) would approve a wanton waste law…most of who are at/voting on the hearing are deer hunters…and that’s what they relate to. Who in their right mind shoots a deer and doesn’t consume it? No one that I know! And anyone that does deserves a fine…So that’s they way they vote.

Trappers that get first hand experience to witness the cruelty of Mother Nature are the minority. How many guys walk up to a trap and can smell what they got before you get there? And I’m not talking about a skunk. If that law gets passed, you’ll either find out what a mangy coyote tastes like or become an outlaw. And boys, coyotes are something a deer hunter can understand! And trappers are in the minority…and yet we waste nearly nothing in an effort to cover expenses of our sport!

And as far as I’m concerned, if you don’t live in Wisconsin, you do t have an opinion that matters.

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7566026
04/22/22 12:17 AM
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Remember the earn a buck fiasco? Kill a doe and earn another buck tag. I can remember dumpsters full Of does with just a ear split so they could kill another buck. That's wanton waste.


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: The Beav] #7566039
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Remember the earn a buck fiasco? Kill a doe and earn another buck tag. I can remember dumpsters full Of does with just a ear split so they could kill another buck. That's wanton waste.


Beav, you are falling victim to the deer hunter mentality…I agree that type of abuse likely happens. But the proposed law is all encompassing…it pertains to trapping, hunting and fishing. have you ever caught a mangy coyote? Did you take it home and skin it or eat it? If no, you’ll be an outlaw under the new proposal.

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7566345
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The problem I have with the online voting is that some of the questions are just vague enough to skewed either way. In person meetings allow a question to be discussed and the possibility of clarification to be produced.

Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7566407
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Really surprised at the margin of the wildlife killing contests.Is the WI DNR working to end predator hunts?


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7566420
04/22/22 12:20 PM
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yep. IMO I think our DNR dose not give a hoot about the hunter ,trapper anymore. They are targeting the spandex crowd.


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Re: Wisconsin Spring Hearing Results [Re: Moosetrot] #7566424
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...and the Spandex crowd is very organized, motivated, and facilitated by the online surveys that are becoming more evident and frequently used by the WDNR.

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