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Shorty shotgun shells #7565120
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Anyone mess with the shorty shotgun shells? Cabin gun is a 12 gauge single, turkey sights front and rear. Keep a variety of shells for about any need around camp. Got a box of those shorty 12's #8 shot. Quite a bit of shot for the size but not much for a shot cup. Shells have more snap and recoil than expected, I expected little shell, little bang, not the case. Not as hard as a slug but more than expected. Seeing a short 20-25 yard shot with lots of pellets and huge pattern. Chipmunks and red squirrel medicine. Cheap fun, save the expensive .410 ammo I used to use.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565167
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From a .410 to a 12ga

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I've not shot those loads...


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565190
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Been seeing them at Wallyworld.Wasnt sure what they would be good for.Might have to grab a box just to have.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565194
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Used some Aguila shorties on red squirrels in a BIG hemlock. They worked OK. But it better be a fairly short range deal.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565313
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I shoot a lot of them.

The length really doesn't have much to do with the propellant or payload, though.

After my trap loads have been fired a few times the crimp area gets weak and brittle. I then cut them down and reload with a roll crimp.
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You can get a lot more of them shorties into the tube mag of your home defense gun.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565317
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i haven't played with them yet they were originally developed by the Mexicans to give them more rounds in their Win 1200 and 1300 shotguns Mex gov wouldn't let regular police have AR's so Aguila developed the mini shell

until Mossberg just came out with their 590s line there was no gun specifically designed to run them the 1200 has a short stroke and a big tray of a shell lifter so they ran decently , there is a little plastic piece to pop in the lifter on the pre S series Mossberg 500/590 and now Mossberg has the 590s that will run them well.

the concept is reduce the Wad significantly and keep the shot column about the same

I would be sort of surprised if they gave the best pattern of any round but they likely give a good enough pattern

a 18 inch 590s turns into a 9+1 gun running the 1 3/4 shells and is only a 6+1 in 2 3/4 https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51603/

a 20 inch 590s goes form an 8+1 to a 13+1 when running the mini shells https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51602/

if you have ever run any sort of a shotgun stage keeping that pig fed is the biggest challenge and slow down so starting with more in the tube is a definite game changer


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565321
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When it comes to self defense, pattern in not an issue.

Very carefully quantified, my pattern from 18 1/2" barrel cylinder choke is;
Softball at seven paces.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7565328
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
i haven't played with them yet they were originally developed by the Mexicans to give them more rounds in their Win 1200 and 1300 shotguns Mex gov wouldn't let regular police have AR's so Aguila developed the mini shell

until Mossberg just came out with their 590s line there was no gun specifically designed to run them the 1200 has a short stroke and a big tray of a shell lifter so they ran decently , there is a little plastic piece to pop in the lifter on the pre S series Mossberg 500/590 and now Mossberg has the 590s that will run them well.

the concept is reduce the Wad significantly and keep the shot column about the same

I would be sort of surprised if they gave the best pattern of any round but they likely give a good enough pattern

a 18 inch 590s turns into a 9+1 gun running the 1 3/4 shells and is only a 6+1 in 2 3/4 https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51603/

a 20 inch 590s goes form an 8+1 to a 13+1 when running the mini shells https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51602/

if you have ever run any sort of a shotgun stage keeping that pig fed is the biggest challenge and slow down so starting with more in the tube is a definite game changer




I may have to try some in my Ithica 37 Home Defender. It holds 8+1 now and when you run it slam firing it almost gets away from you.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: T-Rex] #7565331
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
When it comes to self defense, pattern in not an issue.

Very carefully quantified, my pattern from 18 1/2" barrel cylinder choke is;
Softball at seven paces.

I know most short 18-20 inch shotguns come cylinder bore maybe improved cylinder I like them choked and I run a full most of the time unless I am playing a game where I know I need a wider pattern like very close clays.

I look at it from the point if I use the gun for lots of targets I will be that much more proficient with it should I need it and any shot or projectile off target I am liable for if it isn't at a target range where it is all clear down range.

everyone should know what their pattern looks like , glad yours is well quantified


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: 160user] #7565334
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Originally Posted by 160user
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
i haven't played with them yet they were originally developed by the Mexicans to give them more rounds in their Win 1200 and 1300 shotguns Mex gov wouldn't let regular police have AR's so Aguila developed the mini shell

until Mossberg just came out with their 590s line there was no gun specifically designed to run them the 1200 has a short stroke and a big tray of a shell lifter so they ran decently , there is a little plastic piece to pop in the lifter on the pre S series Mossberg 500/590 and now Mossberg has the 590s that will run them well.

the concept is reduce the Wad significantly and keep the shot column about the same

I would be sort of surprised if they gave the best pattern of any round but they likely give a good enough pattern

a 18 inch 590s turns into a 9+1 gun running the 1 3/4 shells and is only a 6+1 in 2 3/4 https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51603/

a 20 inch 590s goes form an 8+1 to a 13+1 when running the mini shells https://www.mossberg.com/product/590s-51602/

if you have ever run any sort of a shotgun stage keeping that pig fed is the biggest challenge and slow down so starting with more in the tube is a definite game changer




I may have to try some in my Ithica 37 Home Defender. It holds 8+1 now and when you run it slam firing it almost gets away from you.


try a bunch , there are some reports that the can flip 180 they are so short then they are laying on the lifter and pointed the wrong direction


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565339
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For self defense purposes, are 6 pellets of 00 Buckshot adequate to get the job done? If so, that is easily within the realm of anybody with a shot shell reloader.

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Originally Posted by HayDay
For self defense purposes, are 6 pellets of 00 Buckshot adequate to get the job done?...
If you are referring to my shortie 00 loads....
They are 9 balls, not 6. There is no fancy cushioned wad with shot cup. Just three stacks of three on top of a gas seal. These have not been tested on any real life subject; but, I suspect the average person would find the rough equivalent of 9 shots from a .22lr irritating. Especially if repeated a dozen times.

Disregarding that, my guess would be that if you only had the space for 6 balls at 1/8 oz per ball, the resulting 3/4 oz payload would be one heck of a lot better than nothing.


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565429
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I[ve used them for potting spruce hens with the single shot 12 gauge. One nice thing is you can put quite a few in your pocket compared to 2 3/4" shell. I would prefer 7 1/2's or 6 for the grouse but the 8s do the job if you don't try and stretch the barrel. I've had quite a few want to stick after firing. The H&R SS has a spring extractor and there is not quite enough rim on the Aguilar shells for absolutely reliable extraction. So once in a while I have to ramrod one out. Not a big deal but something. I would definitely run a mess through whatever you're using before relying on them. Bottom line I'd buy them again.


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T-Rex..........Not yours, but something similar. The point being the size of 00 Buck means pellets won't stack in 3's inside a standard shot cup. They will stack in 3's inside a 12 gauge hull......but that has to be over a gas seal or felt wad of some sort. To fit them inside a shot cup.......they stack in 2's. To get 8 of them in a shot cup requires a wad sized for 1 1 /4 oz shot.....(a 1 inch deep cup).......which might still be made for some uses, but are hard to find if they are. But you can stack them 2+2+2 inside wads for 1 oz or 1 1/8 oz and those are available all over the place. So the easy way is to use 6 pellets and bang away. For close work inside a home......I'd think it would work well......but I've not tested it......hope I never get to. But somebody probably has.

Each single pellet of 00 Buck weighs 1/8 oz. So 6 of them = 3/4 oz...........8 will weigh 8/8 or 1 oz...........9 =9/8 or 1 1/8 oz. Load data all over the place for these levels of payload.

Option B or C is to use smaller shot. I found some 1 1/2 Buck at BPI. It is 0.310 vs 0.330 for 00 Buck. Nine of those will fit in a shot cup designed for 1 1/8 oz.....and 9 of those weigh around 15/16 oz. I have the mold, but have not yet used it to make 0 Buck.......0.320. I suspect those will also stack in 3's inside a shot cup, and if they do........they would make a good choice for reloading at home.....using off the shelf components.

Benefit of sticking with 00 buck is availability. Lots of places will sell you the 5 pound box of Hornady 00 Buckshot. Almost nobody has the odd sized stuff like 1 1/2 or 0 buckshot.


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I think Danny had some comments on those last year, can't remember the rest.

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Originally Posted by T-Rex
When it comes to self defense, pattern in not an issue.

Very carefully quantified, my pattern from 18 1/2" barrel cylinder choke is;
Softball at seven paces.

Seems perfect for self defense.


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When it comes to buckshot I like the 00 pretty much for the reasons you list.

But, I also keep a lot of #1 on hand. Not only will it stack better in a shot cup; It sits nicely in 30 caliber brass, too. Here is a sub sonic 7.62 x 39 "squirrel" load.
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We used to use the Aguila shorties to remove wasps nests in trees


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Re: Shorty shotgun shells [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7565552
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I never have heard of them before. You are saying that the same length of powder and same length of pellets with a shorter wad? Do I understand that right?......jk


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Originally Posted by jk
I never have heard of them before. You are saying that the same length of powder and same length of pellets with a shorter wad? Do I understand that right?......jk
Yup, pretty much. I think. I've never opened up a commercial one.

A typical commercial wad comprises:
  • gas seal
  • with integral cushion
  • and shot cup


With mine, I use only a gas seal.


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