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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: coonman220]
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04/26/22 09:55 PM
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So the Army is going to scrap the M4/M16 in favor of a Sig Sauer made rifle.
So what are the odds that the now obsolete rifles will be made available for purchase by the people who have already paid for them (tax payers)? U think u are going be able buy fully auto assault rifle ? An what use it for ? U have have lot $$$$, all it good for is kinda stuff u hear news, cartels or drug gangs big city like Chicago be interested Good for fending off those types when they decide to try and take what you have too 
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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if you pay attention they basically built a New DMR rifle Designated marksman rifle then said it is the new rifle then only ordered enough to supply DMRs
it is a .277 short action 80Kpsi cartride
basically it is almost a 270 win but in a short action with a 16 inch barrel and suppressor
it is paired with a smart optic and the total package without ammo is around 12 pounds
I see this being for active combat troops and everyone in a support position is going to be running a M4 variant probably 14.5 inch barrels
this is better answering the how do we keep ahead on long contact distances while most of our possible opponents are running 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 how do we outrange them 80k psi pushing a .277 caliber bullet at 3000 fps from a 16" barrel... What kind of barrel life can they expect? Mike
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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04/26/22 10:23 PM
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if you pay attention they basically built a New DMR rifle Designated marksman rifle then said it is the new rifle then only ordered enough to supply DMRs
it is a .277 short action 80Kpsi cartride
basically it is almost a 270 win but in a short action with a 16 inch barrel and suppressor
it is paired with a smart optic and the total package without ammo is around 12 pounds
I see this being for active combat troops and everyone in a support position is going to be running a M4 variant probably 14.5 inch barrels
this is better answering the how do we keep ahead on long contact distances while most of our possible opponents are running 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 how do we outrange them 80k psi pushing a .277 caliber bullet at 3000 fps from a 16" barrel... What kind of barrel life can they expect? Mike I'm wondering long term as well. Seems to me they are going back to a battle rifle vs an assault rifle.
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: BigBob]
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04/27/22 03:13 AM
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Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine. M4s and M16s in service now are select fire. Single shot, or 3 round burst. Only the Tier 1 guys play around with full auto M16 variants. They learned in Vietnam that giving everyone a full auto was a waste of ammunition. I can't wait to see what barrel and chamber life are going to be with this new 80k psi 277 garbage.
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: BigBob]
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04/27/22 03:20 AM
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Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine. No very few m4's are full auto now days.
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: T-Rex]
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04/27/22 05:45 AM
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IMO M16's will still be used in non combat situations.
While the M16 was being issued in Viet Nam, WWII M14's were still used for Basic Combat Training. Reserves and NG were even using WWI M1's.
The M14 was developed in 1957,the M1 around 1936
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: zallen]
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04/27/22 07:07 AM
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Wow thought this was a typo till I dug deeper.
20.4 million for the XM5 over a 10 year contract..........
2.7 Billion for the optics package on them.......
"Both weapons will feature the XM157 Fire Control optic, which is being made under a contract won by Vortex Optics subsidiary Sheltered Wings in January. That contract will be worth $2.7 billion over the next 10 years, according to government documents.
“The NGSW-FC system is a ruggedized fire control that increases accuracy and lethality for the Close Combat Force. It integrates a number of advanced technologies, including a variable magnification optic, backup etched reticle, laser rangefinder, ballistic calculator, atmospheric sensor suite, compass, Intra-Soldier Wireless, visible and infrared aiming lasers, and a digital display overlay,” reads a January release from the Army’s Cross Functional Team-Soldier Lethality."
The optics are now worth way more money then the rifles.
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: T-Rex]
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04/27/22 10:13 AM
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IMO M16's will still be used in non combat situations.
While the M16 was being issued in Viet Nam, WWII M14's were still used for Basic Combat Training. Reserves and NG were even using WWI M1's.
Fixed it. Thank you.
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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if you pay attention they basically built a New DMR rifle Designated marksman rifle then said it is the new rifle then only ordered enough to supply DMRs
it is a .277 short action 80Kpsi cartride
basically it is almost a 270 win but in a short action with a 16 inch barrel and suppressor
it is paired with a smart optic and the total package without ammo is around 12 pounds
I see this being for active combat troops and everyone in a support position is going to be running a M4 variant probably 14.5 inch barrels
this is better answering the how do we keep ahead on long contact distances while most of our possible opponents are running 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 how do we outrange them 80k psi pushing a .277 caliber bullet at 3000 fps from a 16" barrel... What kind of barrel life can they expect? Mike you wouldn't think much more than 2-3K rounds and if you bump that Full auto even less they are only going to feed from a 20 round mag so you have to take a break every 20 rounds like I said I think this is actually a DMR your talking the length of a M16A2 with the included suppressor and the weight of an M21 probably much more a replacement for the M21 adding range and ease of use
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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds
[Re: zallen]
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04/28/22 12:10 PM
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Would be cool but not going to happen. They'll be sold/given to others countries and in 20 yrs will be used against us like always happens, lol. Our armed forces gave up on /abandoned being "marksman/rifleman" when the m16 won out over the m14. In no way does this mean our troops can't shoot or arent trained to shoot! Its just that other than specialist the overall requirements aren't really concerned with anything outside of 300yds. We have air support, artillery, drones and other tech for that. Kind of sad/disappointing in a way as Americans were always, since before our founding and up until reciently, held on high as marksman and rifleman. Part of our national identity/mythology. Just one of the realities of "modern" warefare where it makes sense to concentrate the training on fast accurate shooting within 300yds due to modern combat environments/needs/requirements.
Last edited by skunkly; 04/28/22 02:11 PM. Reason: Made things more general.
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