I don't believe modern records can be trusted either due to human error and the site used to take temperature having changed over 100 or 200 years.

Good lord Mark you'd want all of those nut cases as neighbors?
just

My thoughts
A lot of trained scientific thinking people think that WE are the cause of a part of global warming.
Not the sole cause but a part of it hat has never been there before..
Sorry but I believe the trained scioentist folks instead of a bunch of trained trappers.
just

So Walleye, am I not allowed some poetic license with my numbers? LOL For hyperbole sake, one may use 99% when perhaps true numbers are only 97%. Let's say 97% is wrong maybe it's 90? I think the point is still right on. There is no doubt that the vast majority of the scientists involved with the study of climate change concur that human caused greenhouse gases are causing climate change.

Now, do they get paid to do this work? Of course! DO the small percentage of naysayers get paid to refute? YES!!!! Only difference is Big Fossil Energy pays their bills. And pays a lot better than the government does. If you care to look that up you can. I have. Find the names of the naysayers and follow the money trail.

And finally, even a guy like me that ain't all that bright, but, has some science background as a college educated Ag guy can figure out the physics of how trapped greenhouse gases don't allow for heat to escape into the atmosphere. The more insulation you put on your greenhouse the warmer it is. Yup, very easy cause and effect.

And finally, nobody in the scientific crowd is saying that climate hasn't always been changing. That argument is a non-starter. It is only that things are going warp speed right now, and human fingerprints are on the causes.

It's a shame that the issue has become so politicized.

Climate change is just like normal weather. Everyone talks about it but does nothing about it.

Unfortunately beverpeeler, you don't need poetic license because those are not your numbers, but a repeat of a global warming talking point that has been floating around for many years. Yes the percentage points don't matter, because the main point is inaccurate. Words matter. The climate is changing and there are many scientists, perhaps even a vast majority, that concur that human greenhouse gases are contributing to climate change. I highly doubt you can find a majority of credible scientists who claim that human actions are the cause of climate change.

I will allow you some poetic license on the warp speed part though .

Climate is changing, as it has for millions of years. Who is to blame unfortunately has become so political that we choose to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and watch instead of act. just look at the USA from a storm perspective. When I was young, 50 plus years ago tornado alley was Oklahoma, today it is 500 miles east of their in northern Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee etc. That is a big change as those big storms that periodically fell on the great plains now more often fall in the southern Midwest and central USA. No big deal to have 2-3 dry year in the great plains or the west out of 10, but 5-7 dry years out of 10 and huge differences are occurring. If we think fighting over climate change is and has been a big deal politically, wait until we see the politics involved in gaining, keeping or losing water rights or funding for continued storm damages, or bailing out high priced land that no longer has water. We have not seen how ugly humans can be yet.

Bryce

Good one Mark.
Only problem is that if all of the icebergs were to melt overnight, the sea level would not rise one bit by the morning.
Icebergs are already displacing 90 % of their volume. The 10% which is above the water is not a factor, as ice volume is reduced by 10% once it melts.
You need to focus your blow torch on all of the ice which in on land to achieve your California solution.

You got me walleye. I got my wires crossed on cooling vs warming. Therefore, never mind and carry on.

It is not about who to blame, but cause is critical if we are going to have rational discussions about how much we try to control it, or if efforts are better allocated to managing for the inevitable change.

I never claimed it was man made,in fact I never claimed anything - I made a statement about 40 million refugees soon to be on the move because lake mead is drying up-just a fact.

You’re right about following the money. Doesn’t government fund the research done by these scientist as well as liberal leaning universities. Think fundamental change.

Name me just one of these trained scientist, just one. I am not sayin there aren't any. I am just sayin you are just repeaten talkin points, media repour and stuff you want to believe. If you actually believed what you wrote above , you could name a bunch.

Actually, AKA is much closer to the truth than some previous posters. Credible climate science has shifted from trying to prove man as the cause of climate change, to a recognition the much of the observed change is normal variation, and mans actions are likely contributing to climate change.

Don't count me in that pile.
I'm one trained scientist who doesn't think humans have moved the meter temp stick very much, if at all.
I consider it all a lie.
Science is full of illegitimate premises that post-modernists consider baked to perfection.

Interesting how the scientists have elevated their category of "science," (with all its subcategories), above so many things in only a few hundred years.
Over those few hundred years, the focus of science with its scientists (most of whom today I'd call advocates rather than scientists) has discounted just how vast and interconnected everything really is and so you get these dimwit scientists declaring they have reached the end of their thesis and they, and they alone, with their posse of advocates are know-it-alls.
There is absolutely NO SUCH THING in the science of science.

All I know is, I like rain and I like sunshine and none of these dimwits know much at all about the grandeur of all of the cosmos.
I come from this field and I fully realize the 20th-21st century scientist is chasing accolades and position and the top office, just like where you work.
The one who tells the boss what they want to hear gets promoted, while the one who says, "Hey, just one second..." gets culled from the herd.
Welcome to the world of science. The pursuits are grand, but the system is broken.

Blessings,
Mark

Mark's phrase about how vastly interconnected everything is.......reminded me of something I read a few days ago. I think it has relevance to this subject and also to trapping and hunting.

Here's the excerpt:

" In 1958, Mao launched the “eliminate sparrows campaign,” arguing that birds were stealing grain from farmers’ fields. For every million sparrows killed, Mao promised, there would be food for an additional 60,000 people. More than three million people were mobilized in Peking alone. Schoolchildren banged pots and pans day and night to keep the birds from sleeping. Middle-school girls were organized in rifle regiments and given shooting lessons. Ordinary people climbed trees and strangled chicks in their nests.

Within a year, China’s sparrow population had collapsed. The result was a swarm of locusts that attacked crops. The annual harvest had already been badly damaged by collectivization. Massive statistical errors from the overreporting of harvest data convinced central planners that China actually enjoyed a “super-abundance” of grain, when in fact production was contracting. Tens of millions of Chinese died in the resulting famine.

SOURCE


I find it interesting that GIRLS were organized into rifle regiments. Also, I wouldn't think Mao would care about food for 60,000 more people.

Anyway, the interconnectedness is obvious IMO

Plants eat CO2 and produce oxygen. Plants good, CO2 good, Oxygen good. Politicians, liberal kool-aid drinkers bad. Earth climate cycles have been tied to the suns cycles. I believe this. Politicians can't tax the sun and have no control.
Why are the Communist countries not concerned about climate change? Because it is being used to control us.
Climate change, Saturday night specials, assault weapons are just sensational titles given to things by media and politicians to control and tax. There is no real definitions for these.