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the seeds of war... #7575696
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An interesting article written by a Swiss colonel who was a strategic intelligence officer in their military (yes, Switzerland has a military and most adult men are reservists for much of their lives). He ended up working with NATO about the proliferation of small arms around the world- work built on trying to clear land mines in many countries we have forgotten that have had wars in the past 50 years. In this article, he discusses in length the seeds of the current war in Ukraine. I hope this post stays up even if its criticizes the U.S. government's actions over the years. This guy may be a total tool for the Russians but it is different analysis that what we hear on our MSM (including FNC here as well) on a daily basis.

P.S. This article is already a month old so some of the situational conditions described have changed...

https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7575699
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I have no problem with it, as long as the discussion remains civil.



Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7575736
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Sure gives you food for thought. You could question was this all necessary or provoked and supported by other countries.

Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7575740
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Sounds pretty much like it was grampy. Our country needs very much to sew seed of love and understanding, rather than what they do! I hope the seeds they been planting don't grow!


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7575797
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enlightening. and unfortunately not hard to believe at all.

Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7577567
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting.


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7577712
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If you read the article it is very obvious that it is just poorly written, pro russian propaganda.

How could anyone believe these are real casualty numbers?

"The Ukrainian army was then in a deplorable state. In October 2018, after four years of war, the chief Ukrainian military prosecutor, Anatoly Matios, stated that Ukraine had lost 2,700 men in the Donbass: 891 from illnesses, 318 from road accidents, 177 from other accidents, 175 from poisonings (alcohol, drugs), 172 from careless handling of weapons, 101 from breaches of security regulations, 228 from murders and 615 from suicides."

It is impossible that none of the Ukrainian's total casualties were from the enemy they were actively fighting. Why do any of you believe that?

Like it or not the US and our allies are now in a proxy war with russia. Since we are at war with russia, russia is irrefutably our enemy. They have been our enemy for a very long time. I sincerely hope that russia as it was at the start of the war, we are paying for, no longer exists as soon as possible.

Keith

Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7577843
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It helps if you can recognize the propaganda on both sides. It's there if you care to be aware.


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7577847
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I love the allied propaganda from the second world war.
Really de humanized the enemy.Real honest to goodness propaganda.
You dont see that anymore from the allies-it is not politically correct nowadays.Many would label it racist.
Russian propaganda is way out there,and I imagine the russian people are lapping it up.-Nazi Jews running Ukraine,and blaming jews for the holocaust.Apparently the Isrealis are flipping out over those claims by Russia.
I think there are a few dupes here who lap it up.

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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7577952
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Wars and rumors of wars. In 2022, as it has always been since an army of one killed his only brother.
Hey, when did that human nature progression thing begin again Mr. Darwin?
From one scientist to another.
Asking for a friend.
Sure seems like same old same old.
Wars and rumors of wars have always been "mostly" wars with intermittent peace... has been the default human lifestyle since... way back when.

Cue the humanists to "tell" us how it is, while we "see" how it really is.




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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578034
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LOL Gist of the article to me was,civvies have no business fighting for the homeland,and if our army licks yours,civvies should just do as they're told,like the peasants they are.

Re: the seeds of war... [Re: cfowler] #7578041
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Originally Posted by cfowler
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578057
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It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures.

Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578106
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wars and rumors of wars is just the status quo for humanity.

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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578459
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You probably believe that the Ukies and their friends holed up in the Avzovstal steel plant are going to breakout and drive the Rus from Mariupol and then retake the rest of the Donbas! Keep on believing, you're the western media's audience.

Meanwhile, if you want to talk about some real military logistics going on and why the Ukrainians will lose in the east in the coming weeks to month's time, I'll be more than happy to explain why. Its really not that complicated but if you're only listening to western MSM you never think outside of the box...


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578470
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As happy as Biden and his crew are to send Billions on top of Millions of American taxpayer dollar$ I'm pretty sure many politician's hands are somehow getting greased in the kerfuffle!


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578510
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
KeithC-

You probably believe that the Ukies and their friends holed up in the Avzovstal steel plant are going to breakout and drive the Rus from Mariupol and then retake the rest of the Donbas! Keep on believing, you're the western media's audience.

Meanwhile, if you want to talk about some real military logistics going on and why the Ukrainians will lose in the east in the coming weeks to month's time, I'll be more than happy to explain why. Its really not that complicated but if you're only listening to western MSM you never think outside of the box...

That war wont end in months or even years.
Once Russia takes ground they have to hold it.
They will wind up the same as they did in afghanistan once they try to occupy any part of Ukraine.
They have no chance to win anything there.-Putins Folly.


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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578739
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It depends on what the war aims really are. If its to allow the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine not to be persecuted by the ultra right Ukie gangs, I mean militias, that have been enforcing things such as they can't have their kids taught in their native language, etc., the Rus may not have to be looking over their shoulders all the time. Look at this map again, this is the 2010 election that got the things that happened in 2014 rolling. The presidential candidate in blue favored closer ties with Russia. In the eastern part of the country, he won not only most of the ethnic Russian vote and a noticeable amount of the ethnic Ukrainians as well, otherwise this guy couldn't have gotten the majorities represented by the darker blues. The red tones are the majorities that voted for the presidential candidate that favored closer ties with the EU. Geography matters, Ukraine is not a united, everybody thinks the same country. Funny how the candidate in blue never got a chance to run for re-election...

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Re: the seeds of war... [Re: NonPCfed] #7578748
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biden admin is trying hard to get a how war going....claiming responsibility for the intel behind many russian generals being killed and the cruiser being sunk.

morons running things and the world will suffer.....the idiots who predicted the afgan army would keep control for years are still running the US military....afgan army folded in days....the same fools did not use one of the best airbases in the world for the withdrawal which resulted in chaos and many deaths.

just over the horizon are very bad times.


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Biden announces additional $150 million in military aid to Ukraine
President Biden has urged Congress to approve his $33 billion request for additional assistance.

Kirby said that the United States has committed approximately $4.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since President Biden took office in January 2021, and $3.8 billion since Russia began their war against Ukraine.

8.3 billion + 150 million so far, probably more than that thou and a good % of the money will disappear.


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