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Avian Influenza #7580134
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Just saw it is the worst case ever. 37 million chickens and turkeys killed so far. Can you say $5 a lb chicken?


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They estimate about 520 million meat and laying chickens in the USA and that is not counting any turkeys, so yest losing 7% is a lot but nearly as bad as it sounds when one factors in the numbers and the replacement capabiliity. The waterfowl migrations are about over for this season so hopefully the spread will slacken off quickly.

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Lost my whole coop I have new ones started, living on a lake and the cats were dragging up whatís dying and dead it was about to happen.


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I worked some during the last out break and I don't think it was being spread to the turkeys and chickens by waterfowl. I went to poultry farms and they had pigeons, starlings and sparrows fling in and out of the barns. When they went out they often headed to the neighbors.


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Biden promised food shortages

Re: Avian Influenza [Re: MJM] #7580306
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Originally Posted by MJM
I worked some during the last out break and I don't think it was being spread to the turkeys and chickens by waterfowl. I went to poultry farms and they had pigeons, starlings and sparrows fling in and out of the barns. When they went out they often headed to the neighbors.


Sparrows and starlings can spread the bird flu. Pigeons can get the bird flu, but it won't last in their system for even 24 hours and they don't produce enough of the virus to spread it. Their body temperature is to high for the virus to significantly multiply before their immune systems eliminate it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667061/

Only 1.1% of the pigeon population when naturally exposed will get bird flu, with no mortality ever found. When injected with huge doses of avian influenza, in 22 different studies, the mortality rate only goes up to 3.64%, due to the inoculum, which induces a fatal inflammatory response.

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They estimate about 520 million meat and laying chickens in the USA and that is not counting any turkeys, so yest losing 7% is a lot but nearly as bad as it sounds when one factors in the numbers and the replacement capabiliity.


Bryce- I think you're giving "inventory" numbers which is not the same as production numbers so you're way under-estimating the number of birds that are alive during a single year. For broiler chickens themselves, the number is over 8 BILLION a year. This fact sheet is a bit dated but basically the numbers don't change too much year-to-year, certainly wouldn't have dropped to the numbers you give above...

https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/nass-poultry-stats-factsheet.pdf


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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by MJM
I worked some during the last out break and I don't think it was being spread to the turkeys and chickens by waterfowl. I went to poultry farms and they had pigeons, starlings and sparrows fling in and out of the barns. When they went out they often headed to the neighbors.


Sparrows and starlings can spread the bird flu. Pigeons can get the bird flu, but it won't last in their system for even 24 hours and they don't produce enough of the virus to spread it. Their body temperature is to high for the virus to significantly multiply before their immune systems eliminate it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667061/

Only 1.1% of the pigeon population when naturally exposed will get bird flu, with no mortality ever found. When injected with huge doses of avian influenza, in 22 different studies, the mortality rate only goes up to 3.64%, due to the inoculum, which induces a fatal inflammatory response.

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Interesting So far I haven't seen a starling usually nesting in every crack and cranny by now


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Word is 30 some eagles have died from it my guess feeding off of the dead dying geese and other birds so far Iíve come across and heard of hawks, a snow owl, starlings that have been found dead.

Went Turkey hunting a couple weeks ago we came over a rise in the road and a bunch of seagulls were dead on the road about 15 and one walking around with a clipped wing so it looked recent. Foggy that morning and 2 power lines on one side of the road and 4 line across the road, drove by a few times after that and several were eaten just a pile of feathers remained.


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Iím wondering how the PGC here is gonna pull off raising 200,000+ pheasants in outdoor pens.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Word is 30 some eagles have died from it my guess feeding off of the dead dying geese and other birds so far Iíve come across and heard of hawks, a snow owl, starlings that have been found dead.



That's a bummer for all those who think no eagles should ever die, ever again, for any reason. Eagle populations should just continue to grow exponentially for infinity.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Word is 30 some eagles have died from it my guess feeding off of the dead dying geese and other birds so far Iíve come across and heard of hawks, a snow owl, starlings that have been found dead.



That's a bummer for all those who think no eagles should ever die, ever again, for any reason. Eagle populations should just continue to grow exponentially for infinity.

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Usually see Robins back by now-havent even seen one this year.No small birds like chickadees or sparrows etc.either,and just a couple swallows-usually there are plenty of swallows flying around.
Lots of partridge though,see a bunch every day out on the line,no chicks yet.Seen a few ducks and some of the spring goose hunters did OK,but not as good as usual.
Ravens and crows are down in numbers for sure,compared to some years.I noticed the drop in raven numbers last winter,but have seen their numbers go up and down in cycles,so not really out of the ordinary from what I seen of them last winter.
I guess Like Keith said some bird species are more succeptable than others.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Word is 30 some eagles have died from it my guess feeding off of the dead dying geese and other birds so far Iíve come across and heard of hawks, a snow owl, starlings that have been found dead.



That's a bummer for all those who think no eagles should ever die, ever again, for any reason. Eagle populations should just continue to grow exponentially for infinity.



Like everything else that gets on a list they set numbers then do nothing when that quota is met then everything pays the price for their inaction but they are still in no hurry to do whatís right. Look at the beaver and wolf we do the work and the antis get control through the courts and screw everything up.


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Shoveled out the Coop of Death today after reading up on how to decontaminate the impacted areas it sounds like cool and moist is the preferred habitat for the virus. It can last 2 weeks to 2 months it sounds like depending on conditions it even lives on steel for sometime but thatís not moist so it a shorter life spam there.

Virkon S seems to be a option (water mix formula) but Iíd like to fumigate the coop if I could because of the OSB seams are all over the inside and it should penetrate the entire coop I would hope. Washed the nesting pads in bleach water after soaking them for a couple hours the rinsed them and left them in the wind and sun to dry out.

I have 35 chicks that Iíll need to move in there when itís safe to do so, they will be in that coop until fall or midsummer before going outside so the run should not be any issue by then but Iíll keep reading up on how the virus works over time. Plan on checking with the Vet to see what stuff she might have to kill the virus on hand.


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One of the things they did to the barn that were infected was heat them up with big diesel heaters. It seems like 110 degrees for 48 hours, but I can't remember for sure. I was not really around them at that stage.


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Talked to the local Vet yesterday he suggested a simple spray down with Lysol for hard surface areas, I did find a couple larger size cans of commercial grade Lysol so I bought that. Sprayed the coop down and buttoned it up overnight Iíll air it out for a few days and move the chicks into it they are the ďabout to the escape the water tankĒ size now.


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They have found foxes dead from it here.


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When a barn is infected and birds are dying they CO2 gas the birds. Then remove and burn or bury depending on the soil types.
The birds being tested have to be done within 24 hours of death, so it is a short window to get them to a lab.
There is a USDA page updated with the barns that have been decommissioned the Canadian one is a week slower

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