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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580501
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I'm pretty sure most of that would not be lawful in the flintlock season Pete. All of it is legal in the general muzzleloading season. There are two separate seasons here in PA.


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I see where Traditions advertises that new group of rifles as "Traditions™ PA Pellet™ Ultralight just became a game changer for your Flintlock season!

But that doesn't make them legal weapons in PA's flintlock season.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580512
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I am reading about a number of people buying PA Pellet rifles to participate in PA late flinter season.

I can't find where there is any official ruling published but looking at pictures of some fairly new looking flint locks a Lyman deer stalker in 50cal also has adjustable fiber optic sights and music wire springs in the lock. https://www.lymanproducts.com/deerstalker-rifle


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580531
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It's deceptive advertising Pete. I don't think Traditions is too worried about hunters paying fines for using their PA Flintlock illegally. Selling them seems to be their priority.

I'm not certain about some of the features but I can tell you with absolute certainty that fiber optic sights are illegal during the Flintlock Season.

58 Pa. Code § 141.43. Deer seasons.

(b) Flintlock muzzleloading deer season.

(1) Permitted devices. It is lawful to hunt deer during the flintlock muzzleloading deer season with a flintlock muzzleloading firearm. The firearm must be an original or similar reproduction of muzzleloading firearm manufactured prior to 1800. The firearm’s ignition mechanism must consist of a hammer containing a naturally occurring stone that is spring propelled onto an iron or steel frizzen which, in turn, creates sparks to ignite a priming powder. The firearm must have open or aperture sights and be a .44 caliber or larger single-barrel long gun or a .50 caliber or larger single-barrel handgun that propels single-projectile ammunition.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580537
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they typically count fiber optic sights as open sights and honestly they give you no accuracy advantage over a good aperture sight and front blade , they just glow in low light


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580620
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Not here they don't, getting caught with fiber optics on your rock lock during flintlock season would almost certainly get you a fine.

It used to be called "the primitive season" and still is by some. The idea is that you are limited to 18th century technology. Some try to cheat but I like it the way it is. As I said above, PA is one of the only states with this type of season with these restrictions.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Hanger] #7580670
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That’s a pretty rifle nightlife. 45-70?



Nope 50-90ST it’s a Shilo sharps shoots good to, got it used at my LGS a good many years ago, also have one of the uberti Billy Dixon models in 45-70 haven’t got to shoot it yet though

Really surprising just how far and how accurate they are until you try one and that’s with just a tang sight, add a scope and it becomes awesome, makes the many stories and legends about them and the men who shot them way more believable





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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580675
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That’s awesome, I’m on the hunt for a 45/110. They have jumped in price like everything else. Just grabbed a pietta .45 Remington repo last week, found out he has a.31 that I may have to pick up as well.

Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Lugnut] #7580717
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Not here they don't, getting caught with fiber optics on your rock lock during flintlock season would almost certainly get you a fine.

It used to be called "the primitive season" and still is by some. The idea is that you are limited to 18th century technology. Some try to cheat but I like it the way it is. As I said above, PA is one of the only states with this type of season with these restrictions.


I wish we had a season like that. It would clear the woods of all the in line yaahooos


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Yeah, I don’t get the whole in-line thing. The way they build them today they’re pretty much like a centerfire rifle as far as accuracy and reliability. I just don’t understand the point.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580737
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I dont care what anybody but me uses to get deer meat. And my preference changes pretty regular. I have used pistols rifles crossbows bows and muzzle loaders. Enjoyed all of it. Somebody elses choice of a deer killing tool doesn't effect me at all.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580762
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Nessmuck,
What style is your flintlock and what caliber ?

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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Yeah, I don’t get the whole in-line thing. The way they build them today they’re pretty much like a centerfire rifle as far as accuracy and reliability. I just don’t understand the point.

season extenders , they just want more days of deer hunting , they want to purchase whatever it is they need to spend more days hunting.

the new firestick deals are a perfect example of this

it is muzzle loading in that the projectile goes down the muzzle and in no other way because the powder charge is in a plastic case and enters from the breach
https://www.federalpremium.com/firestick.html


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Originally Posted by TraderVic
Nessmuck,
What style is your flintlock and what caliber ?


JP McCoy...out of Nevada...45 cal .. green mountain barrel...Durs Egg lock

42 inch

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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7580822
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Lugnut
Yeah, I don’t get the whole in-line thing. The way they build them today they’re pretty much like a centerfire rifle as far as accuracy and reliability. I just don’t understand the point.

season extenders , they just want more days of deer hunting , they want to purchase whatever it is they need to spend more days hunting.

the new firestick deals are a perfect example of this

it is muzzle loading in that the projectile goes down the muzzle and in no other way because the powder charge is in a plastic case and enters from the breach
https://www.federalpremium.com/firestick.html


All true.

We get a week of regular muzzleloader here in PA. Anything goes muzzleloader, pretty much as long as it loads from the from it's legal.

It runs during archery season and you can use your flinter or caplock. I still scratch my head over guys going all out with their in-lines for that one week.

But "season extender" is pretty much it in a nutshell.


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Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Nessmuck] #7580959
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Nessmuck,
What style is your flintlock and what caliber ?


JP McCoy...out of Nevada...45 cal .. green mountain barrel...Durs Egg lock

42 inch


I'm seriously considering a Jim Kibler Southern Mtn Rifle in 40 or 45 cal.

Re: Muzzleloader guys [Re: Wolfdog91] #7580974
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^^^^^^^^^ Good choice….the .40 is a great caliber


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Wolfdog , that is a lot of questions for a one finger typer like me to answer , but I'll try . I machined all the parts of the scope , but not the turrets . That is my next project . No nitrogen fill , not had any fogging problems yet .I built the scope to be a 7 power. You can change the configuration to get what you want . I built it to get a good field of view , and good light transmission . It has all coated optics.It cost me about $30 to buy the lenses and retical wire ,the steel was what I had laying around . You can buy old Stevens rifles , but they are big bucks now . The model 44 is the cheaper model . Mine is a 44 .It cost me $100 forty years ago . Wish I had bought several back then . It will shoot MOA groups or slightly less off the bags . I don't shoot it from the bench often . Guns are meant to be shot on your hind legs . You ain't a shooter if you can't shoot standing up . It is getting to be a little bit tougher for me at 4 months short of 80, but I still give it my best shot . The stock on my rifle is as it was built about 100years ago . The barrel is a modern 21 inch bull barrel . The rifle weighs about 10 pounds . The 44 is a rolling block type action as it pivots on a pin . The Stevens 44 1/2 action is a falling block type . The block on that action slides up an down in a mortise . The 44 1/2 is a lot more money than a 44 .Hope that answers most of your questions . Really like seeing your posts , keep up the good work . Oh by the way , there is a guy in PA that will build you a new 44 1/2 Stevens (look up Paul Shuttalworth) , about $2500 ,well worth the money .


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