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Ar was the weapon ! #7590921
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Gun info was just released on Fox news. The nut bought an AR on may 17 and another one on may 20th. 375 rounds of ammo day after that .One was found inside the truck another he used to kill the precious children. Guy shot his granny that used to work at the school. The door he went thru was unlocked. He went inside ONE classroom and shot everyone in there. Some are still battling for their lives in the hospital. Apparently he knew how to get inside.

I'm not going to poke the bear on here with the AR issue but the gun unfortunately did what it was designed to do. Yes anything can become a weapon of death but somethings are capable of killing in a shorter time span than others......

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So it's the semi-automatic carbines fault?


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[quote=jbyrd63]Gun info was just released on Fox news. The nut bought an AR on may 17 and another one on may 20th. 375 rounds of ammo day after that .One was found inside the truck another he used to kill the precious children. Guy shot his granny that used to work at the school. The door he went thru was unlocked. He went inside ONE classroom and shot everyone in there. Some are still battling for their lives in the hospital. Apparently he knew how to get inside.

I'm not going to poke the bear on here with the AR issue but the gun unfortunately did what it was designed to do. Yes anything can become a weapon of death but somethings are capable of killing in a shorter time span than others.....................................................................................................................................................................................................Be careful in your statements ....Just as much damage would have been done with a 9mm handgun with 5 or 6 8 round clips..... or a pump shotgun with buckshot. . these were innocent kids at close range. A madman with evil in his heart. The ones who want the ar's won't hesitate once they get rolling until all guns are taken......in the end even single shot 22's ...... we need to work hard and do our part to ensure a stable morally strong society. Even then evil will raise it's ugly head every now and then !

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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7590927
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Under those conditions, captive targets, he could have killed, or at least fired, just as fast with a 10/22 so don't go down that path.


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Gun info was just released on Fox news. The nut bought an AR on may 17 and another one on may 20th. 375 rounds of ammo day after that .One was found inside the truck another he used to kill the precious children. Guy shot his granny that used to work at the school. The door he went thru was unlocked. He went inside ONE classroom and shot everyone in there. Some are still battling for their lives in the hospital. Apparently he knew how to get inside.

I'm not going to poke the bear on here with the AR issue but the gun unfortunately did what it was designed to do. Yes anything can become a weapon of death but somethings are capable of killing in a shorter time span than others......

Tell you what, since you brought up the the topic why don't you set an example and turn in everything in your possession that's purpose and design is to kill.
You talk about killing more rapidly, where do u draw the line? How many of your weapons are more than single shots. All firearms are designed to be more deadly than say a bow. So maybe we give them all up? The second amendment is designed to give the populace the right to defend their constitutional rights. That means military type weapons. Don't believe in the Constitution any more? Your starting to reason with your emotions and that doesn't turn out well if u look around.

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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7590929
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There is no difference in a semi-auto AR platform rifle then other semi auto rifles such as a Ruger 10-22. Other than a dust cover and forward assist (if installed) and possibly the cycling function of the weapon via either gas or recoil or the caliber. A gun is a tool, plain and simple. A person with evil intentions will attempt to follow through with those evil intentions no matter the method.


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Let's add an AR to that classroom in the hands of the teacher. I bet the outcome would have been different assuming the the teacher cared enough to have a basic understanding of it's use.

We can spitball this til kingdom come but at the end of the day it all boils down to insanity and evil running rampant in our society. Until we fix that no one is safe and any tool will be used to inflict harm.


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By design most of my rifles hold 4 rounds . My henry 22 holds 16 in the tube. Hand guns 15-17 round clips. Don't own an AR never have never will. I hunt any and everything I want to with a bolt gun.

Jump up and pump your chest . I don't give a rats behind who owns what or how many . But all the AR's ever made aren't worth one child's life. Could he have done the same carnage with another weapon ? You bet . But the question ANY parent or clear thinking adult must ask. WOULD he have done this if he hadn't had the knowledge of what the weapon was capable of doing? We will never know...THATS more of the issue than gun control stopping at these style of weapons.
Most criminals won't undertake a crime if they don't have the equipment they think they need to pull it off. How many mass shooters show up with a 4 shot bolt gun? EVERY one of the shooters in this lifetime have used something with a high capacity or rapid reload weapon. So don't start that crap . Just google the AR and who and what it was designed for ? That's where the argument looses traction. Heck a hatchet can kill but none of the mass killings in the US where done with one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15



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Lizzie Borden comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Tomtrapper89
There is no difference in a semi-auto AR platform rifle then other semi auto rifles such as a Ruger 10-22. Other than a dust cover and forward assist (if installed) and possibly the cycling function of the weapon via either gas or recoil or the caliber. A gun is a tool, plain and simple. A person with evil intentions will attempt to follow through with those evil intentions no matter the method.


Don't think a 10-22 comes in a caliber that after the victim was shot they have to use DNA to identify the victims. That's what happened here . Some of the kids were unrecognizable do to damage from the firearm.

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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7590941
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jbyrd, I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt when so many here say or imply you are an idiot. I'll no longer make that mistake. ANYONE who gives the weapon ANY level of responsibility in this, or any shooting,,, ... wow. How ignorant. mad

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Jbyrd63 do you support the 2nd amendment and can you tell me intent of it? I doubt the founders wanted their militias armed with less superior weapons. That would be unreasonable.

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You obviously don't understand why the 2A was written.

Shall not be infringed is crystal clear.

Have fun reloading your bolt guns when the real shooting starts.

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
jbyrd, I've always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt when so many here say or imply you are an idiot. I'll no longer make that mistake. ANYONE who gives the weapon ANY level of responsibility in this, or any shooting,,, ... wow. How ignorant. mad

I'm in the same boat......

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Okay, let's outlaw ARs. You willing to outlaw gasoline?

The Happy Land Fire killed 87 with only a dollars worth of gas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Please read it and take note. The arsonist was an "immigrant" let into this country by democrat Jimmy Carter. Funny how that works, mass murder always goes back to democrat policy.

Maybe we need to outlaw democrats?


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Tomtrapper89
There is no difference in a semi-auto AR platform rifle then other semi auto rifles such as a Ruger 10-22. Other than a dust cover and forward assist (if installed) and possibly the cycling function of the weapon via either gas or recoil or the caliber. A gun is a tool, plain and simple. A person with evil intentions will attempt to follow through with those evil intentions no matter the method.


Don't think a 10-22 comes in a caliber that after the victim was shot they have to use DNA to identify the victims. That's what happened here . Some of the kids were unrecognizable do to damage from the firearm.



Do you have a link to your claim. DNA results take two days to a few weeks to come back with a match from a lab. this happened yesterday. The firearm didn't cause the damage, it would have been the shot placement caused by the projectile fired. Was he using .50 Cal or something?


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Tomtrapper89
There is no difference in a semi-auto AR platform rifle then other semi auto rifles such as a Ruger 10-22. Other than a dust cover and forward assist (if installed) and possibly the cycling function of the weapon via either gas or recoil or the caliber. A gun is a tool, plain and simple. A person with evil intentions will attempt to follow through with those evil intentions no matter the method.


Don't think a 10-22 comes in a caliber that after the victim was shot they have to use DNA to identify the victims. That's what happened here . Some of the kids were unrecognizable do to damage from the firearm.

calling bull on that

shot plenty of things with 223 in soft point generally entry in and no hole out you can't even see blood half the time

now that is not people but we aren't that thin skinned that we just explode

use a little common sense you can shoot a deer with a 300 win mag and it still looks like a deer

not if a lot of rounds were fired into the face , or back of the head maybe


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Tomtrapper89
There is no difference in a semi-auto AR platform rifle then other semi auto rifles such as a Ruger 10-22. Other than a dust cover and forward assist (if installed) and possibly the cycling function of the weapon via either gas or recoil or the caliber. A gun is a tool, plain and simple. A person with evil intentions will attempt to follow through with those evil intentions no matter the method.


Don't think a 10-22 comes in a caliber that after the victim was shot they have to use DNA to identify the victims. That's what happened here . Some of the kids were unrecognizable do to damage from the firearm.



Um, you call yourself a trapper/hunter/shooter and you believe that BS? You're deranged.

There is not a single shoulder fired firearm projectile that I'm aware of that does the sort of damage you claim.


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I don't usually comment on too many post that turn into a hostile debate. And I try to get along with all.... even make an effort to debate peacefully. But people with the thinking in their head that's it is the gun fault...... they are the biggest reason stuff like this happens ! And the biggest reason it will continue to happen!


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