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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: Finster] #7591000
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Originally Posted by Finster

Gee, CBS. Now there's a reliable source. Not like they would ever make anything up.


the new outlet said parents were asked to submit DNA samples to confirm ID not they were only identifiable by DNA you usully liek to point out flaws in stories , why not here?

it wasn't that the parents couldn't ID the kids , it is that they aren't going to likely be asked to ID the kids so that they don't see the dead kids and the authorities don't want to be wrong in an ID and put the wrong kid in the wrong grave

this is awful and a tragedy that no one was there to stop this person from harming children


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: NWS,LLC] #7591001
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Originally Posted by NWS,LLC
I believe the emotions of some of the hot heads on here would be different if it was one of their kids heads that was peeled open. A good question would be who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) was that sold the weapons and ammo to the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that carried out the horrific act?

Your talking about using emotions to reason then calling some defending the Constitution hot heads...... ???.I'll ask you a simple question, do you believe that people in extreme emotional distress such as in this situation make rational decisions and conclusions? If not please explain why your above statement has any relevance.

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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: riverratdm] #7591003
05/25/22 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by riverratdm
Kid was a tranny. Had mental issues, also an immigrant here illegally. To say it is the guns fualt is pretty far down the list.


I'll say it again.

Maybe we need to outlaw democrats?


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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591005
05/25/22 01:37 PM
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Confirm all background checks, waiting period, whatever were followed to a “t” per that state’s law. If this (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) obtained these weapons illegally then there should be some type of legal recourse on the seller.

Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591006
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63


I don't see the need to have one I won't buy one. It is America you have the right to buy as many as you want until it's not allowed.

This shows that you don't understand the 2nd amendment. It doesn't have to be ALLOWED. You don't need permission, it is a constitutional RIGHT!


When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591007
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
By design most of my rifles hold 4 rounds . My henry 22 holds 16 in the tube. Hand guns 15-17 round clips. Don't own an AR never have never will. I hunt any and everything I want to with a bolt gun.

Jump up and pump your chest . I don't give a rats behind who owns what or how many . But all the AR's ever made aren't worth one child's life. Could he have done the same carnage with another weapon ? You bet . But the question ANY parent or clear thinking adult must ask. WOULD he have done this if he hadn't had the knowledge of what the weapon was capable of doing? We will never know...THATS more of the issue than gun control stopping at these style of weapons.
Most criminals won't undertake a crime if they don't have the equipment they think they need to pull it off. How many mass shooters show up with a 4 shot bolt gun? EVERY one of the shooters in this lifetime have used something with a high capacity or rapid reload weapon. So don't start that crap . Just google the AR and who and what it was designed for ? That's where the argument looses traction. Heck a hatchet can kill but none of the mass killings in the US where done with one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15




I quoted myself because this is my final comment on this thread. Some need to read this one and not just the title and mouth off !!!
NO ONE has mentioned MY OPINION is my freedom. NO one has mentioned anything except I'm the devil and ignorant because I don't think like you do ( dems favorite tactic). But I want you to message the parents of these kids and ask them their opinion of AR ownership.....
You guys have a great day . Hope you are blessed to be healthy . I'm going to get my "hunting" rifles out and oil them so when they come get them they will look good !!!!

Last edited by jbyrd63; 05/25/22 01:39 PM.
Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: Finster] #7591008
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Originally Posted by Finster
[quote=NWS,LLC]I believe the emotions of some of the hot heads on here would be different if it was one of their kids heads that was peeled open. A good question would be who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) was that sold the weapons and ammo to the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that carried out the horrific act?

Good grief. Who sold a car to a drunk driver? Who built the bridge someone jumped off of? Who made the fertilizer that someone made a bomb out of? Who made the knife that someone got stabbed with? Your statement is asinine. [/quote
Finster, I couldn’t agree more.


Looks like he needs another year;-)
Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: NWS,LLC] #7591009
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Originally Posted by NWS,LLC
I believe the emotions of some of the hot heads on here would be different if it was one of their kids heads that was peeled open. A good question would be who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) was that sold the weapons and ammo to the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that carried out the horrific act?

Sounds like it was legally bought by the kid so if the kid appeared to be sane when he purchased the guns, you can't blame the dealer

Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591010
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63


I'm not going to poke the bear on here with the AR issue but the gun unfortunately did what it was designed to do. Yes anything can become a weapon of death but somethings are capable of killing in a shorter time span than others......

39,773 people in the U.S. were killed with firearms last year.750,000 died from illicit drug use.Wheres you uproar about drugs flowing across the southern boarder,,condoned by your liberal buddies.

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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591011
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why so few ARs in the 1980 & 90s , because they were 1000 dollars and an AK was 300 and an SKS was 79.99

why more now ? decades of politicians telling people they shouldn't have them. then 94-2004 you could only get an over priced one with deleted cosmetic features and little magazines

the price on a AR is now lower than most AKs and nearly the same as an SKS

why wouldn't you buy the more accurate , US made , all parts interchangeable AR it is Americas rifle

it is a good tool for lots of things , and yes it gets used for evil some times , so do puppies and candy it doesn't make puppies and candy evil.


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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591014
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If he just turned 18 -- he probably didn't have much time to become a felon -- aren't there questions on the form that were probably not answered truthfully?

Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591016
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63


I quoted myself because this is my final comment on this thread. Some need to read this one and not just the title and mouth off !!!
NO ONE has mentioned MY OPINION is my freedom. NO one has mentioned anything except I'm the devil and ignorant because I don't think like you do ( dems favorite tactic). But I want you to message the parents of these kids and ask them their opinion of AR ownership.....
You guys have a great day . Hope you are blessed to be healthy . I'm going to get my "hunting" rifles out and oil them so when they come get them they will look good !!!!

Because "Your opinion and your freedom" if enacted would step on the freedoms of everyone else.


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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: NWS,LLC] #7591018
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Originally Posted by NWS,LLC
Confirm all background checks, waiting period, whatever were followed to a “t” per that state’s law. If this (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) obtained these weapons illegally then there should be some type of legal recourse on the seller.


So sellers are now required to do a full psychological exam of all buyers? Or maybe we should all submit ourselves to a psychological exam in order to get some sort of authorization to exercise our God given rights.

But if I deny a buyer due to my "predjudice" that they are up to no good then I'm the bigot that gets sued.


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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591019
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I know around here dealers have refused sales to whack jobs which they have every right. Maybe this kid put on a good appearance in the shop.

Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7591021
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
why so few ARs in the 1980 & 90s , because they were 1000 dollars and an AK was 300 and an SKS was 79.99

why more now ? decades of politicians telling people they shouldn't have them. then 94-2004 you could only get an over priced one with deleted cosmetic features and little magazines




This answers my question, because I did shoot some sks’ when I was younger. And then I was in high school during those years you said the ar’s were restricted.

Edit: not all those years, I was able to pass hs in the usual 4years....barely lol

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Tranny = Mental dis order = no gun for you .


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Originally Posted by David Morse
Tranny = Mental dis order = no gun for you .

yep -- check out questions E,F, and K on 4473 ---- chances are he lied.

Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: jbyrd63] #7591026
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Take the guns and they'll throw bombs instead. Poison the waterhole is another way they did it in the old days. There's always a way for a sick mind to act out.


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
By design most of my rifles hold 4 rounds . My henry 22 holds 16 in the tube. Hand guns 15-17 round clips. Don't own an AR never have never will. I hunt any and everything I want to with a bolt gun.

Jump up and pump your chest . I don't give a rats behind who owns what or how many . But all the AR's ever made aren't worth one child's life. Could he have done the same carnage with another weapon ? You bet . But the question ANY parent or clear thinking adult must ask. WOULD he have done this if he hadn't had the knowledge of what the weapon was capable of doing? We will never know...THATS more of the issue than gun control stopping at these style of weapons.
Most criminals won't undertake a crime if they don't have the equipment they think they need to pull it off. How many mass shooters show up with a 4 shot bolt gun? EVERY one of the shooters in this lifetime have used something with a high capacity or rapid reload weapon. So don't start that crap . Just google the AR and who and what it was designed for ? That's where the argument looses traction. Heck a hatchet can kill but none of the mass killings in the US where done with one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15




I quoted myself because this is my final comment on this thread. Some need to read this one and not just the title and mouth off !!!
NO ONE has mentioned MY OPINION is my freedom. NO one has mentioned anything except I'm the devil and ignorant because I don't think like you do ( dems favorite tactic). But I want you to message the parents of these kids and ask them their opinion of AR ownership.....
You guys have a great day . Hope you are blessed to be healthy . I'm going to get my "hunting" rifles out and oil them so when they come get them they will look good !!!!


NO ONE mentioned YOUR OPINION, because your opinion doesn't really matter does it, just like my opinion doesn't matter, when it comes to constitutional rights. It's a constitutional right to bear arms. But it isn't about the inanimate object. It's about the person who used that tool.

Good job on trying to use emotion to prove your point, real class act. Go ask the parents of these kids... Ask parents who have lost a person to a drunk driver how they feel about people owning cars? The bottom line is a person made a decision to commit a terrible act.

A "hunting" rifle is a rifle used for hunting, semi-automatic modern sporting rifles are used for hunting all the time, making them "hunting" rifles.

Based on firearm use for hunting data (I'll see if I can find it) the use of modern sporting rifles for hunting is growing at a faster rate than traditional bolt action rifles.

I hope you are happy and healthy also. Glad you are going to go oil your "hunting" rifles so "they" can come take them and burn them. I know when they come to take mine, I hope they are careful, the barrel will be extremely hot.

I'm done... It's like wrestling with a pig, you both get dirty and you eventually realize the pig likes it.


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Re: Ar was the weapon ! [Re: KsTrapper88] #7591029
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Originally Posted by KsTrapper88
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
why so few ARs in the 1980 & 90s , because they were 1000 dollars and an AK was 300 and an SKS was 79.99

why more now ? decades of politicians telling people they shouldn't have them. then 94-2004 you could only get an over priced one with deleted cosmetic features and little magazines




This answers my question, because I did shoot some sks’ when I was younger. And then I was in high school during those years you said the ar’s were restricted.

Edit: not all those years, I was able to pass hs in the usual 4years....barely lol


yup us broke students in the 90s had an SKS and brown paper sacks of ammo at 10 cents a round because we couldn't afford to buy a spam can of our own at the time.

18year olds today also have 27 credit card offers in the mail two weeks after their birthday

there are also at least a million 18 year old AR owners in 2022 my son is 18 and graduated from high school nearly everyone in his friend group owns an AR they are all 18-19 working full time + jobs in factories or construction almost across the board. it is the economy we are in right now.


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