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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591591
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...mp;cvid=453ff5773ea049c1902ad610674497cc

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” said Javier Cazares. “More could have been done.” Cazares lost his fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, in the attack. “They were unprepared,” he said.

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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591601
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so the type of gun matters not at all Jbyrd if you have 40 minutes after a brief exchange with the SRO , wound the sro on the way in


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591610
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Just disgraceful behavior.....burns me to the core.



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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591696
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News this morning said one officer claimed they were waiting for a school administrator to unlock a door for them. I thought WTH???? How could you say that even if it was true??

I don’t think anyone knows how they will react when the balls actually start flying but this was ridiculous. They now bumped it up to an hour that this idiot was in the school. Shameful.

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591699
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It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback deals like this. Everyone expects that others will respond and react as they would or think they would.
It hard to believe that trained officers would not just rush in. But it happens.. Thing is no one ever knows how they will react until they are the one in a high stress situation.
There are thousands of videos with less stressful events taking place. Will see dozens of people standing doing nothing but watching.
Bad deal all way around for everyone.

Mac


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Mac, Do you know anyone that if armed would not have helped the children? I am willing to bet my wife would have after the first scream.

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Macthediver] #7591723
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Originally Posted by Macthediver
It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback deals like this. Everyone expects that others will respond and react as they would or think they would.
It hard to believe that trained officers would not just rush in. But it happens.. Thing is no one ever knows how they will react until they are the one in a high stress situation.
There are thousands of videos with less stressful events taking place. Will see dozens of people standing doing nothing but watching.
Bad deal all way around for everyone.

Mac

Most accurate post i've seen yet....


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Diggerman] #7591724
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Mac, Do you know anyone that if armed would not have helped the children? I am willing to bet my wife would have after the first scream.

Very correct.



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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591728
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I bet the classroom had windows. Locked door is a cop out.



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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591733
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Now I hear that 40 cops were outside waiting for an hour.



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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591742
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If only they had some way to knock down the doors like when the do a no knock raid ir some way to bust the glass of a window.

Funny a mental case managed to get in but locked doors suddenly stop the cops?

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Tomtrapper89] #7591751
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Originally Posted by Tomtrapper89
Originally Posted by Macthediver
It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback deals like this. Everyone expects that others will respond and react as they would or think they would.
It hard to believe that trained officers would not just rush in. But it happens.. Thing is no one ever knows how they will react until they are the one in a high stress situation.
There are thousands of videos with less stressful events taking place. Will see dozens of people standing doing nothing but watching.
Bad deal all way around for everyone.

Mac

Most accurate post i've seen yet....


I agree, like I said above no one knows how they will react until the balls are flying. However, how you react has consequences. I would expect heavy criticism if I stood outside for an hour or something like that was going on. Shameful, then act like it was a locked door that kept you out. If this plays out like it looks there should be dereliction of duty charges or something like that. Unbelievable.

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Thing is no one ever knows how they will react until they are the one in a high stress situation.


All right Mac the diver. You are right. Except there were a LOT of people there.

I told the story about stopping a man that was beating a woman outside a restaurant some years back. A big crowd was watching right outside the door. They had called the sheriff and a pair of deputy's was on the way. They just watched. I saw it driving down the road. I get upset thinking about that too. Turns out the deputies knew the guy. Asked if I was willing to testify. I said sure but didnt have to. I think he pled guilty. turns out the woman was the restaurant cook. For years after if I ate there I wasn't allowed to pay.

Ok so everyday people are shocked and uncertain what to do. Fine. But L.E.? You would think a few of them would grit their teeth, push down their fear, and go in. Its kids for goodness sake.

I think there is something going on behind the scene.


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591756
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Originally Posted by Marty
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Mac, Do you know anyone that if armed would not have helped the children? I am willing to bet my wife would have after the first scream.

Very correct.


Well I'm glad that everyone has their plan. No way to know if it will work until your turn to show us. I'd say I'm praying for you that it never happens. But it's not my thing.

Mac

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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591772
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I might be misunderstanding you Mac. Are you saying someone shouldn’t be criticized for being a cowered because the one criticizing might end up being a cowered some day too?

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God holds accountable the father of his children and how he raises them .

While he is not responsible for his son's sins he will have to answer to God for the up bringing of his son or the lack there of .

Where is the father ? , was this another direct result of the family unit break down ?

Why was this kid a freak ?

The demonic spirit within him had no resistance .


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Trapset] #7591794
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I might be misunderstanding you Mac. Are you saying someone shouldn’t be criticized for being a cowered because the one criticizing might end up being a cowered some day too?


Who gets to define a what a coward is? Webster?

I don't know what those officers were thinking or how they are trained. It's very obvious there was some failures in their approach to the situation. Not every person in any jobs will work outside of direct supervision. Not every one just rushed in takes initiative. Been there seen it.
What I tire of are the people who know how it all should have been done. When they were not the ones there. You can yadda yadda should done this should done that. I'd have done this they should have done that.. guess easy to just say they were cowards.. Right!
I don't know maybe they all are just wannabees peed their pants when first shot was fired... Kids paid the price for them to learn that the jobs not for them.
Those guys that were there going to have to live with their decisions. Right or wrong.

I can honestly say I think they dropped the ball.
That said.
Until your the one holding the ball it isn't really up to you which way to run.

Mac


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Macthediver] #7591796
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Originally Posted by Macthediver
It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback deals like this. Everyone expects that others will respond and react as they would or think they would.
It hard to believe that trained officers would not just rush in. But it happens.. Thing is no one ever knows how they will react until they are the one in a high stress situation.
There are thousands of videos with less stressful events taking place. Will see dozens of people standing doing nothing but watching.
Bad deal all way around for everyone.

Mac

Product of our times more so than high stress situations. Yes there are a few that freeze up under that kind of situation but I guarantee that if something like this happened 50 years ago the majority of men would have donr whatever they could to save those kids. People are 10x softer morally and mentally today than in past generations.

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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591797
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How many times have cops gone charging into a volatile situation only to have something bizarre go wrong, then they end up getting sued or going to prison. Not defending their actions here, but sometimes it's a no-win situation.


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Play the devils advocate all u want Mac but anyone on the scene with a weapon that stood by and attempted nothing let those kids down PERIOD despite any excuses one might come up with. If your armed and children are being murdered while u do nothing I'll make the call and say coward.
I'll also add Mac u don't have to be in that situation to know what the "right" thing to do is. Will everyone have the guts to do it .... no..... but because they can't bring themselves to do it doesn't make their actions or lack of actions right....

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