You may not be defending them per say but ur making excuses for them.

There are worse things than death. Standing by and doing nothing while kids are being killed would be one of them. How could one live with themselves knowing they are alive because they did nothing while kids were being killed? I can not imaging not going in even if I was to know that I would be facing certain death.

I'd go in. Don't really see a choice... How would I face myself in the mirror after listening to 40 minutes of carnage knowing I did nothing?

Mike

In 40 minutes he could have killed them with a machete, didn't need a gun. Its not the guns fault. When it comes down to it the school was a soft target, and he was a coward.

I heard they’re going to start hiring again soon. By then everybody should know more facts. Social media is as unreliable as the mainstream media.

It was war and evil won. Evil prevails when good men do nothing

That was flat-out immoral. Their job is to protect the citizens, not to sit back and watch them die because you're a yellow-bellied-chicken-liver. To heck with 'protocol' when lives are at stake.

Just consider what it would be like being outside listening to the carnage and not able to do anything because the socialists have taken your guns away….

I don’t plan on running my mouth to the point that I’m flagged. It’s going to take a long time to take them away if you aren’t at the top of the list.

My mother always gave good advice. I was told “ people who talk to much usually end up getting what they wanted”.

that is sad

understand that time and time again the supreme court has upheld the police have no duty to protect

2 officers stand and watch a murder through a subway window then after the person they saw stabbing the other leaves they go in and provide medical assistance. no violation of duty.

this right here is why we have the 2nd amendment and why we need to keep out guns and carry them , the police have no duty to protect , most will step up when the time comes but there is no legal duty to protect

they can also make the argument they have to secure the scene

not just a specific SWAT or ERT needs to be trained but every officer , the thing is they have been defunded slowly and the first thing to go in funding is typically specialized training.
I don't have all the details and there could have been a team inside already , we will see as the after action break down happens

people have to also be willing to spend the money on both education and putting protective measures in place

statistically these shootings happen so infrequently even though we are told 27 this year by some media sources the reality is those are shootings near schools used to bump numbers and not actual school shootings. this appears to be the 2nd one this year to fit the mass definition used by the FBI in the past.

with 49 million of students 14 is a less than 1 in one millions if it was your kid it is the most important 1 in 50 million

really since we had seen fewer in 2019 , 2020 and 2021 we actually hadn't a Mass shooting event at a school since 2018 , why , because in the years 2016,17 ,18 19 most were stopped before they got to Mass. that further detuired actors form acting.

That was disgusting

Several local cops went in to save their kids while not engaging shooter as he killed other kids and police held other parents back from entering the school.

If the fire department did the same thing, most people would want new firefighters... And they darn sure wouldn't want to volunteer to give up their fire extinguishers.

Mike

Sounds like a cartel hit. Border Patrol agents kids at school, slow police response time, and campaign rhetoric for their open boarders enablers.

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on but nobody knows what they would or could do in a real situation. There's lots of cops that are cops because they failed at everything else or do it in the name of equality.

A niece says in the state of NE there are usually 3000 graduates a year going into teaching. This year there are 300. Everyone is looking for a stay at home computer job. David City NE has a teaching position and they got one application. They took a job in their hometown instead. In a few years there won't be teachers.

Police training today calls for ideally 4 officers to enter an active shooting situation. You would enter in a diamond pattern and the only objective was to neutralize the threat. If you did not have 4 officers you are trained to enter anyway and again the goal is to neutralize the threat before anything else. Years ago we were trained to secure the scene and wait for a team to arrive. That training and policy is obsolete. I dont know if officers waited or not but waiting should not have even crossed their minds. God be with the victims and the families.

I am wondering why they are taking so long to release the details ? My guess is everyone involved has to figure out how to cover their butt.
If the 40 minute wait is true, then law enforcement and other so called authorities have learned nothing from Columbine, Sandy Hook etc..

I haven't read thru all the pages of this thread, but.....

..as an officer that has went thru active shooter training I can add this: the LE guidelines for an active ahooter response changed with the Columbine shooting.

We were told that if you are the 1st responding officer on scene then you go to the sound of gunfire amd attempt to neutralize the threat. YOU DONT WAIT FOR BACKUP OR SPECIAL TEAMS.

We were also advised that if we felt we couldnt do this then we needed to get out of LE.

This was/is a federally-backed training that all/most agencies should have completed since its inception. Georgia GWs did it about 8 or 9 years ago.

The active shooter training we attended was held at an empty 5 story college dorm building. We used simunitions (paintball) with LE having blue paint and "bad guy(s)" having red. It was 4 days of training that was intense. Heading up those stairs towards gunshots, screaming, and shouting has a way of causing some very high heart rates and tunnel vision. Many of the scenarios resulted in very close quarters gun battles.....almost sticking the barrel to em....and the bad guy doing the same. Some scenarios were single perps...others had multiple perps shooting at you.